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Dear Alan, Giovanni and Michael:
I was interested to read your recent exhanges about the Oxford Authentication method. Incidentally, Michael do have any idea why each of your posts is being posted in triplicate? Is it something you are doing incorrectly? If it is not, I suggest you contact Peter Combs to see what can be done to remedy this problem.
I have not yet had the time to read the details of how the Oxford Authentication test is conducted. However, being a retired radiologist I understand the general principles. I was interested in Alan's comment that the testers have safeguards in place to prevent the usual faking suspects from further muddying the already problematic area of the dating of Chinese art. In this regard, I recently bought a famille verte Shoulao figure from a dealer in the Netherlands. The figure is about 11 inches tall, is unfortunately missing his staff but has an intact peach in his left hand and has a wonderful and kindly face with a beneficent smile. I have him on my desk to cheer me up while I prepare my tax returns!
Anyway, the point of the story is that when the package arrived and I was starting to open it, I noticed a stamp on the back indicating that the box had been X-rayed by a division of the USA Department of Homeland Security. I do not know what type of X-radiation they use, but I assume the a single dose of absorbed radiation might be equivalent to many years of absorbed radiation from the atmosphere thereby potentially converting a Guangxu figure to a Tongzhi figure perhaps if subjected to the Oxford Authentication test. I dearly love the figure and would not sell it. However, it's reassuring to know from what Alan states that I could not falsely claim that it is much older than it really is as a result of his recent X-ray!
Kind regards,
Errol
Dear Errol,
Thanks for letting me know about the triplication not aware of doing anything different if happens this time i will report it. As far as the xray is concerned I am pretty sure that low dose such as used dentist and other medical uses will have no effect. I am all most certain I read this on Oxfords web site when I visited it. What dose US customs use I don't know but imagine it would be low. Wherever it is I read this also mentioned that the dose required needs very sophisticated equipment and is very expensive but such expense would be easily covered if you manage to get a fake item accepted.
Hope this helps
Michael
Hello Michael:
The triplication has stopped at least for your last post. Thanks for your comments. I still need to read about the details but am curious how big the porcelain sample has to be for TL testing. I'd hate to have my items lose even a tiny fragment!
Regards,
Errol
Hi Again Errol,
Strongly recommend you visit Oxfords web site. It is full of interesting information. As a radiologist you will understand the scientific stuff better than me. Not on my normal device so unable to post a link for Oxford. I am sure if you google it it will pop up easily. Bye the way like your figure he certainly has a facial expression that says pleased to see you Sir !
Regards
Michael
Hello Michael:
Thanks I will. He's smiling at me right now and also thanks you for the compliment! He's the Chinese God of longevity so it's important to be on his good side!
Regards,
Errol
The height of jar 7 1/2 in.
19.0cm selling without a stand.
Is the top Jar a Kangxi perhaps ?
Is the top Jar a Kangxi perhaps ?
I think you're right.
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Is the top Jar a Kangxi perhaps ?
I think you're right.
Great, seems i might have learned something..
just to be clear..i mean this one
well, I disagree somewhat ..... it sold for £58, which would be a bargain for a real kangxi vase, but regardless of the price , I think this one is modern , not even late qing. The foot doesn't look right , nor the flowers or cracked ice.
tam
I agree with Tam. Both of these are probably modern with the second one being definitely modern . The second one did not even get a single bid. The first one sold for 58 pounds which is far too low even for a Guangxu period item let alone a Kangxi item. Giovanni posted earlier in this thread two photographs of blue prunus vases from his collection (see above). The one is Kangxi and has a lighter blue color than the more intense blue color of his other piece which is a Kangxi revival item. The first vase you show has a half-hearted ice crackle appearance. The second jar is prettier but no antique.
Both are old.
Yes, the foot rim of the first one looks also litte bit strange to me. But the colour should be Kangxi imo just from the pictures.
The second one is definitly late Qing. Very very typical.
There are too many those things with low quality on eBay.
I have sold pieces of good period and quality for very low prices due to lack of interest. That's life on eBay.
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I also agree with Tam. Most noticeably for me, Kangxi examples are much daintier, sharper, they appear smaller in the over all scheme with the branches narrower, the petals less blowsy and bland. I feel the Kangxi decoration captures the sharp tingle of cold winter air. Or at least tries to; if you look at the more modern versions they are softer, rounder, the ice is smoother almost as though it has started to melt.
I agree the blue colour and the whiteness are more convincing but I think that may mean it is relatively more recently made, rather than earlier than the 19th c one.
Obviously, these are just my observations and generalisations rather than hard facts.
Julia
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