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I like the look of Prunus Vases but I have a hard time dating them to see if they are older. Any thoughts on the age of these? How much would you pay for these? Any tips on figuring out the age of these?
Prunus 1
Prunus 2
Prunus 3
The four character Kangxi mark is usually late 19th century. Nice vases, they look better painted than most of the stuff that's usually offered. Sorry that's all I can say, I have my problems too with the dating of the prunus pattern.
Birgit
Prunus 2 looks to be 19th century for sure , Prunus 1 and 3 could be Kangxi , Nice pieces
As I take another look, the first pair could be 19th century also
Thank you! What do you look for when dating these? Is there certain notable characteristics of the painting or bottom?
4 character Kangxi marks are literally non existent in the actual Kangxi period and it is a pretty good marker of being Kangxi revival circa 19th or 20th century. That is one good tip i am told.
The bottom jar (jar 3) looks to have the most potential to being genuine Kangxi period for me because of the shape of the jar , if i am right this is a typical kangxi shape , the foot rim also looks OK but closer pics of the foot of this piece would help, the black neck is strange though.
Please wait for expert opinion if you are looking to buy
What do you look for on the foot rim? And how do you tell 19th century versus modern? I still like them even if 19th, but don't want to think something is an antique if it is modern!
colour , shape , the general look of the texture of the foot , there are many areas other than the foot , these things take time to learn , reading books on the subject , visiting museums and handling genuine pieces would be advisable before forking out large sums of money.
Hi Dragonfly,
Those vases are all clearly 19th. century Kangxi revival pieces. The four character mark is also very typical for the late 19. century. There's a difference in painting style. The blue of an original Kangxi piece would have extra lines to emphasize the cracked ice pattern . Also the prunus blossoms are differently painted. Finally the blue is much darker in most cases than in the Kangxi period.
Chris
Here are two pieces of my collection
on the left you see a Kangxi piece, on the right a Kangxi revival piece.
Chris
Yes I agree these three vases are all C19th kangxi revival, and nice examples too, imo. Good size and shape and condition.
the C19th footrims and the original footrims are different - kangxi porcelain tends to be heavy and dense and the footrims looks white and hard with few imperfections (usually) , and are often squared off with clear knife-cut marks. Whereas the C19th footrims are more buff coloured and rounded, sometimes with an oaty appearance.
If you watch Peter's educational videos about blue and white etc. you can learn more about how the footrims change over time.
Modern prunus vase copies sometimes have glassy or 'sugar coated' footrims, or are dull white and powdery, or are very dirty (from attempts to 'age' the thing).
I also think the kangxi examples almost always (?) have a distinct cracked ice pattern , with lines indicating the cracks , whereas on the C19th pieces, lines become (as here ) waves, or are more impressionistic, but this may not be a hard and fast rule - some C19th examples may have the thin lines.
I would ignore the marks, circles etc. because you can find every type of mark or none on the C19th copies and on the modern fakes.
and it's possible the four character kangxi mark is found on items from later in the reign - rules or edicts from the Emperor on decoration and marks tend to get ignored or changed as time passes. Originally the Kangxi Emperor didn't want any reign marks (hence the circles , rabbits etc which are a feature of kangxi porcelain) but later this rule was relaxed.
tam
Thank you Tam18 your post is very educational and informative.
Mark
Hello:
I agree that these are likely Kangxi revival pieces from the nineteenth century. Your vases look rather similar in color and design to Chris's Kangxi revival vase. I have a magpie prunus rouleau vase from the late Michael Vermeer's estate that was sold at auction as an 18th/19th century vase (see photographs). Although my vase is apple green as compared with blue in your case, the same general principles apply as others have mentioned. My vase, which is about 17 inches tall, lacks marks of any kind. I like your vases and think they are probably 19th century and therefore worth having if you like them. However, the asking price should be considerably lower than might be asked for actual Kangxi vases. I really, however, cannot suggest a price for these vases. I agree that the black neck on the third vase is somewhat unusual and wonder whether it represents a restoration, although it it not unattractive.
Regards,
Errol
Stunning example Errol. I really like the imperial/apple green glaze. And Provence too boot.
Mark
Dear Tam:
I agree with Mark that your description of the differences between true Kangxi items and Kangxi revival items is exceedingly helpful. The foot of my vase seems to have the buff color at the periphery that you mention in your post and therefore would support my vase being 19th century? Would you agree? With my vase there are neither lines nor wave forms. What significance would you attach to that? Regarding marks on Kangxi pieces would you agree that on true Kangxi pieces marks of any kind are more often absent than present?
Thanks!
Errol
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