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Sorry, your plate is definitly NOT a Kangxi ware.
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Without talking about the shape, paste and glaze, only the painting style and technique tell us a lot of information. Look at the flowers, birds and the pine tree on your plate. The outlines of these objects are very simple and stylized too strong. Kangxi's depiction of plants are more vivid and you see strokes of the paint brush. The peony give us a lot of hints. The red colour on your plate is just filled in the outlines of the flower and very evenly done. The flower looks very flat. The Kangxi peony has more gradation of the red colour and you see casualness of the painting technique, not confined and neat. There are a lot to compare. If you compare, you see the difference.
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Could be old European or Japanese copy. Not modern fake.
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@xin_fawis @imperialfinegems @clayandbrush @lucky Giovanni, I wasn't being sarcastic when I thanked you for your response. I was saying thanks for your opinion on the base, I bought the plate based on your opinion on the base. There seems to be some disagreement about it here thou. Xin believes it's definitely not Kangxi, but possibly Japanese or Dutch. I don't know a lot about this but my personal opinion is that I don't thin the Dutch or Japanese would directly copy a Chinese Motif and probably copy the style but not the content.
Thomas, myself I am very far away from what can be considered an "expert".
1st impression Dutch decorated or 19th century Chinese. With no disrespect in anyway, plate doesn't fit 18th century Kangxi or Yongzheng in my eyes mainly for huge difference in colors . When compared to genuine examples which were posted here - difference is huge in every direction, no matter what you look at.
Giovanni has a strong knowledge so I might be over judging my opinion on this plate. On other hand, Xin has good knowledge as well.
Would be interesting to see better quality pictures with decent light (if you still keen when collecting this plate) when you will have this plate on hands.
Personally - I would not spend 500 on this plate even when considering purchase and when judging item based on just only my personal very sloppy opinion..
P.S. I hope so that this thread will continue and hope so that this plate will be confirmed as what it is in real.
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@xin_fawis @lucky It could just be finer than the other examples, I think the key is in the base / foot. Here are some examples of Kangxi plates with less muddy colours and a finer line :
What about the foot, how were they made in the 19th century / dutch Japanese versions?
@thomasumjohnson if it's finer example - should be similarities "out there". I tried to browse for similar as to yours - 0 luck so far.
I don't know much about Japanese footrims..Dutch - Chinese used to export blank export porcelain without any sort decoration - and Dutch people used to decorate Chinese porcelain themselves. In real it's Chinese porcelain item but decoration was done abroad - very often imitating Chinese decorations.
P.S. if you could get much better quality pictures on all key points as, paste, glaze, colors, footrim...would be good start.
I haven't paid for it yet..
The Japanese foot rim I find most like Chinese are those on Yamatoku pieces. I did look for you as they made some items with that kind of shape/edge but I found nothing.
When I first saw your plate my feeling was that the red was wrong, it reminded me of both late 19th c Kangxi revival red and Meiji red but I then put that down to differences in photography or my computer. Possibly that could be the cause, but it wouldn't explain the slight differences in the way the flowers are done. I thought the idea that it might be a decorated blank to be an interesting option.
Or, if that is paint on the base, maybe Birgit is correct and it is masking a mark? Is there anyway you could ask for more photos?
@julia @lucky thanks to you both for looking into this for me and your knowledge. I think they are a very busy auction house and won't be able to supply extra photos. But I really do think that the white on the base is the reflection of the porcelain. If you look closely you can see where the back has been cleaned and that texture continuing into the white areas.
The red colour and way the flower are rendered are quite similar to the initial picture I posted
and not a million miles from this:
In regards to a glaze reflection - it's a light reflection 99.99% in my eyes. Plate was placed under a "square" ceiling light I think and then light spread as a circle next around a foot rim on a base.
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