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I'm not an expert on kangxi vases, but these look pretty convincing to me. I think the boys pair of vases is more likely kangxi. The foot looks very white and the pair are of different heights.. the beasts is a darker blue, which I'm not so sure about and the leaves are unusual to me. Any info on these or identifying kangxi porcelain is very much welcomed..
Allow me to guess even though I can't say for sure:
The bottle lips are very smooth; wouldn't they have some fritting if they were Kangxi, or is that only for plate rims? Everything looks hand painted but there is something "off" about the decoration above the foot: there are interrupted lines that almost look like it's been transfered, but the rest of them look hand decorated. Or am I imagining this?
UPDATE: The more I look at the first two, the more I think they are Kangxi.
The other vase seems to be high quality hand-decorated but looks to me to be late 19th c. or later.
Just my amateur guess. Let's see what the others say...
I've always regarded iron spots in "Kangxi' wares as a sign of being later 19th copies, and the six character mark without the double rings is also found a lot on 19th c. pieces (only really fine & small Kangxi objects are found without the double circle), but as I've said, I'm not a huge fan of rules like that, so let's look at the rendering.
The Qilin is not rendered as ferocious manner of the Kangxi...compare:
So, along with that detail, I think the vase shape is kind of a late 19th style.
The bottle vase is far more compelling. A pair facing in the same direction, as opposed to being a mirror is a good sign that this is 18th c. Motif looks nice, but I'm not familiar enough to say if it is only found in the Kangxi or not.
The white background really washes out the texture of the bottle vases in the photos....perhaps some close ups would shed further insight.
@greeno107 Thanks Greeno, It's interesting to know about the mirroring. Of the topic, I'm selling that brush pot you were curious about, the faux bois one, in a couple of weeks at dore and rees. It's a good auction, I'll post a separate topic on it, anyway lot 151 if you're interested.
@thomasumjohnson Do they charge you for extra photos? Your piece would really benefit from having a few more pics...even Christie's online sales show quite a few views of good pieces, and your piece is very nice.
I think your estimate is appropriate...it allows for strong bidding.
However, I'm not so sure about the thinking on this auction house to offer 20th c. pieces with high estimates in the 4000 plus Euro range. I agree with their dating, and values might be in the 500-1000 euro range, so what's the justification for such high estimates?
There also seems to be some genuine pieces, but low quality pieces thrown into this sale.
Finally, I see a few pieces that I can see myself buying at the right price (if I actually bid at auctions like this, which I generally don't).
Such a strange arrangement of sale items....what's the background of the person who curated this sale (if you know)?
Just want to point out something in the Dore & Reese sale that really raises red flags for me.
Lot 294 is described as a pari of late Qing armchairs from the same estate as that sold another pair at Christie's in 2008 for essentially $1.0 million USD.
Here's there lot:
Here's the "related" Christie's lot:
They are attempting to draw value by claiming the two pairs are related in some way...not sure that the provenance can be proven, but these two pair of chairs are miles apart, and it is not clear that the pair of chairs being sold are even zitan.
I can say that the carving does not fit any classical Chinese style that I've seen, the contruction appears 20th c., and I find the look offensive to the eye, so I doubt that zitan would have been used in such a manner.
Yet, they don't have the courage to list an estimate. Why?
A genuine pair of zitan chairs of "western style" from the late 19th c. would still command $200,000 to 300,000 in todays market.
Seems to they know what they have is not legit, and they are simply fly fishing.... just hoping to hook a big fish with bad eyesight.
@greeno107 thanks interesting.. Lee is on television in the UK antiques road show. He bought the auction house last year in order to specialise in asian art, and bring the old fashioned auction house up to date. I know what you mean. There are a lot of contrasting valuations, but at the same time some potential bargains. I posted a thread a few weeks ago about this issue with provincial auction houses. It was regarding a vase that Wolley and Wallis sold last year for £190,000. It had an estimate of £800 - £1000 At the time everyone was saying "Lucky vendor" it's obviously republic not qianlong. However the same vase is now up for sale at Sotherbys with an estimate of 1.5 - 2 million. It just goes to show that asian art is a complicated guessing game, whereby auction houses try their best to value thing but the market ultimately decides. The bigger the auction house the larger the price. here's a link the vase in question:
@thomasumjohnson I remember the vase and I’m familiar with the past and current offer price.
I’m suspicious of recent events where objects of questionable origins and mediocre quality are dubbed rare discoveries.
We should not be developing the bad habit of entrusting authenticity simply because a top auction house assigns a high valuation.
Judge the piece.
I have a hard enough time getting easily recognizable items into auction… who in the world is pulling the strings?
@thomasumjohnson I have registered as a bidder I’m hopeful to snag a item or two. Thanks for the heads up
I’m not sure about the vases being Kangxi. Rather late Qing or even modern. The third one seems a bit over the top: prunus pattern, mythical beast and elephant handles… A bit of everything. It could be modern.
Birgit
I agree, I think the pair could be modern - unless the photos are very poor? They seem very shiny and the border at the bottom looks very like the style of decoration/shade of blue seen on later 20th c printed pieces. The women look awkward, too.
Obviously that opinion is largely based on the assumption that the photos are good, although I am not sure the shape is, but as Tim says, the background is not helping.
Regarding the other, I don't think is Kangxi either: it looks heavy or clumpy and the shape and handles being coloured don't convince me either
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