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Hello, guys.
I saw a Peter's YouTube video a couple of days ago talking about an auction with Brunk. And I found some very interesting pieces, as shown below.
But today my friend, who is a rather experienced buyer, told me that none of them are real. He said Lot 319 (Chinese Blanc de Chine Porcelain Brush Washer) is a complete fake, Lot 188 (Chinese Celadon Glazed Water Pot) and Lot 321 (Chinese Celadon Style Glazed Jar and Cover) are probably from the 1970s, and Lot 234 (Monumental Chinese Underglaze Blue and White Lidded Rice Bowl) is also a fake.
So I am pretty confused. Can anyone share their opinion on these pieces? I'd appreciate your thoughts.
Thank you.
Pic 1/2 Lot 319 (Chinese Blanc de Chine Porcelain Brush Washer)
Pic 3/4 Lot 188 (Chinese Celadon Glazed Water Pot)
https://live.brunkauctions.com/online-auctions/brunk/chinese-celadon-glazed-water-pot-4389399
Pic 5/6/7 Lot 321 (Chinese Celadon Style Glazed Jar and Cover)
Pic 8/9/10 234 (Monumental Chinese Underglaze Blue and White Lidded Rice Bowl)
The auction house doesn't say that any of these items is old. They don't say they are modern either but talk around as auction houses often do. The price estimates are accordingly.
Birgit
Lot 321 (Chinese Celadon Style Glazed Jar and Cover)
Provenance: Sotheby's London, December 11, 1990 (lot 241); Private Collection, New York
Says on the listing, but I cannot google it out. How did they know?
@shinigami Thank you. You are certainly right in saying auction houses often talk around. Lot 188, 231 and 234 all show very vague provenance. Lot 319 does say "Qing dynasty" and there is even a letter of evaluation. But look at the first sentence. What is "evaluatwe"? Somebody must be doing a sloppy work in writing the letter, and maybe also in examining the work of art.
@yinchris I can't find it either. But even it's true, the piece could be a passed lot then.
A typo in a single word, in an old letter, is meaningless.
take it with a grain of salt
@watership Well I hope the lot is a true Kangxi, as the mark says, since I was intended to buy this one. What is your view on lot 319?
Henry,
The auction house has labeled it as Qing. There's no reason to believe its Kangxi. Marks are commonly apocryphal.
take it with a grain of salt
That isn't the only typo in the letter and there is at least one incorrect bit of grammar, which of course could be explained away, but whereas one error might be excusable this does look sloppy from a professional. I also cannot find what "lidaibo" means, can someone tell me, please? I find it strange that word is not explained but "anhua" is.
You could try contacting the restorer and Sotheby's. I am not claiming it is a fake, but there is something strange. I find the shape a little odd. Has the neck been cut?
I just did a search and I found a Sotheby's item very like this one, but it is clearly different as the decoration is not "anhua" and the neck is there. The one at Brunk's doesn't look to have moulded/carved decoration. I am posting the Sotheby's example to show why I felt the shape is perhaps unusual: the ones I have seen without a neck tend to be flatter, or higher and less rounded. These are just my casual observations, of course.
The text on the link might imply that the word "lidaibo" in the restorer's may be another spelling error. Which then seems a bit too many to me.
One last thing, am I remembering correctly that Peter queried some Chait stickers a while back? It may be worth running this piece by him. It is a small price for an expert opinion.
https://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2017/important-chinese-art-hk0722/lot.3607.html
If anyone noticed my posts earlier: I deleted the 2 and condensed them into one.
Sorry I overlooked the „Qing dynasty“ in lot 319. The piece seems to be heavily restored and probably even lost its neck. And it might be from the very end of the Qing dynasty. It’s not something I personally would spend a few hundred $ on, with auction fees and shipping and probably import fees on top.
As to the letter of evaluation, they often do a sloppy job. I still have one that described a large bowl as Han dynasty that was 19th century at best.
Birgit
@watership You are right. The marks are just marks. Maybe it's a late Qing work. Thanks.
@julia Thank you for the information. The Sotheby's 3607 is the real one. And it seems very possible that the Brunk's 319 is an immitation of it. I don't know whether it's a late Qing work or a modern one.
And as for the shape, please google "taibaizun". Most of them have a neck. There are some cases where the neck is pretty flattened. You are right that this Brunk's 319 seems to have undergone some major operations.
About "lidaibo", this is another typo or a rare translation. "Taibaizun" is a Chinese word, meaning Zun (vase) of Taibai, a Chinese poet from The Tang Dynasty, famous for writing excellent poems after drinking wine. Taibai, is also known as Li Po, Li Tai Po, or Li Tai Bo/Bai. So some people might have translated the Chinese word phonetically into "lidaibo". It's a little weird, but not too far-fetched. Still I agree with you that there are just too many things strange.
@shinigami True. And if you look at the last picture of lot 319, the restoration work cost 2000$. Whoever spent that money or made the receipt must have expected a lot more than 900$.
The letter and invoice are fakes this is a common practice of highly recognizable dealers that have closed shop probably a late Qing piece and a deceptive dealer. This piece is most likely a copy. There are a few missed labeled items in the sell. But I also see some good hidden pieces. But the miniatures holly smoke $400 already for 1 vase.
@henry-x I hadn't seen the invoice as the document didn't open on my smartphone. $2000 for a restoration and by the same guy who did the expertise! Either it's all a fake as Brian said or someone got cheated and now tries to get rid of the piece.
Birgit
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