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Hi everyone,
after my Catawiki jar met a terrible end at the hands of poor packing and the Royal Mail, I have been scouting around for another big floor type jar. I saw these coming up in an auction in London. I don’t think they’re particularly old, but as some of you know I’m a bit of a sucker for the rustic look. But I am concerned that these rustic pieces are just modern copies made to look like they’re very old? If they’re just provincial pieces from c.1900, that’s ok with me.
Only one photo I’m afraid. Have emailed the auction house to ask for more but no luck as yet.
Nic
Hi Nic,
IMO modern.
My reasoning is that the design looks dabbed on rather than painted. It has no flow on effect that one would expect to find from a 19th century or earlier item.
Overall it looks dull. No life and has been done with haste.
If you still really like this pair then its a matter of price. I think about 20 pounds for the pair is enough to pay given that they are modern.
Mark
Dear Nic,
Agree with Mark. Wonder why a professional auction house would list such items as Chinese style. Surely an experienced auction house should be able to identify a place of origin. I think these jars are from Vietnam from the Bat Trang kilns located in North Vietnam. In Australia gift type shops, Garden centers etc are full of large and small items from these kilns. The wares are of good quality and attractive as decorative items they are normally surprisingly cheap for what you get. As has been stated many times in this forum the problem is when these items get in the hands of the unscrupulous selling to the unwary.
Michael
Hi Nic,
I’m going to step in here and disagree with Mark and Michael in that I don’t believe the pair are new. I have a feeling there is some age to the pair making them possibly anywhere between 1900-1949. They strike me as free form and hand painted imitations of 19th century jars of a later date. Can’t be 100 percent certain with just one photo and without seeing footrims but if you could see in person before bidding it would help. Even as decorator items they surely would bring more like 100-200 or more pounds if you liked them enough for display. Are you able to view them in advance?
George
Hi everyone,
your (varied) opinions pretty much reflect my own internal dialogue regarding these pieces. I know they’re not particularly special, and many people would consider this kind of ware not worth buying and even though they’re only for decoration, I do want them to have some age, I wouldn’t be happy with modern fakes.
I am unable to view because the auction is on Sunday and I live some 300 miles away. I’ve also had surgery on my hand and am unable to drive at the moment.
You may remember that I posted another one on here a few months ago, but the general consensus was that it was too expensive. Peter also commented and felt I could get better for the money. It was around £3000.
I have found another one, it’s £1800, but I’m not entirely convinced I would be getting something much better for the money?
http://www.onlinegalleries.com/art-and-antiques/detail/large-chinese-kangxi-porcelain-vase/360115
Thanks again for all your contributions!
Nic
Hi Nic,
I might be completely wrong but the crowded look of the decoration reminds me of Kangxi revival vases.
Birgit
Hi Birgit,
Do you mean the jar in the second link I posted? It’s very similar to the Catawiki jar that ‘died’, but I only paid £200 for that. So £1800 seems excessive?
Nic
It is hard to tell with the first jars, can you request more photos as part of a condition report?
Regarding the second jar, the messy ink-stained base reminds me of other 19th c bases I have seen but not come across on Kangxi - doesn't mean anything other than I haven't come across them but it makes me hesitate.
If this were Kangxi, I would prefer to see much whiter porcelain and a better colour for this price. Having said that, the colours of glaze and blue are very similar to that plate I posted once. I didn't think it was Kangxi but Giovanni said it was but painted with one of the cheaper cobalts.
Can the shape/style of the butterfly give a clue?
Julia
Hi Nic,
I meant the Timothy Langston vase just above. Like Julia I‘m not convinced of it being Kangxi. I have s Guangxi vase with similar decoration.
Birgit
Hi Julia,
I was inclined to err on the side of caution too. I have emailed the auction house for more photos but no luck, which raises concerns? Having said that, I think it’s a no-frills auction, almost industrial in scale. So I think their priority is ship in, sell, ship out again?
Hi Birgit,
yes, I suppose the price is reasonable if it is Kangxi, but if it’s revival then it’s a bit OTT?
So much to consider!
Nic
The value of such a late Qing blue and white vase might be around 300£.
Birgit
Thanks Birgit, that’s about the price that I thought reasonable too. I don’t mind paying a lot more for an older piece but I don’t want to pay too much when all I have to do is wait another few months for something more reasonable.
Mind you, I’m not a very patient person, so I may have to stop myself doing something foolish!
Nic
Hi Nick - with regard to the two large jars, if the auction house has failed to respond to your requests for additional images/condition reports then leave well alone! As for the Timothy Langston jar, this is late Qing and not Kangxi - IMO.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,
Thanks for the confirmation. I will look elsewhere I think.
Nic
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