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Hello, all! I came across some interesting pieces coming up at auction. Any thoughts on some of these? I love the look of tobacco leaf, but am curious whether these are right.
You obviously have a talent for finding such beautiful things. This is a tobacco leaf tureen with the birds bringing a lovely variation into the pattern. The pattern was never uniform though and had some variations. As to age, I would say late Qianlong, but that's just a guess.
Birgit
Shinigami: I concur - mid to late Qianlong period, and dragonfly seems to have a very good eye.
Thank you! There were a few other items as well. Do these also look right?
I just LOVE Chinese export, and with the help of this group have been finding and buying the right things!
Chinese export is very often fine stuff - and undervalued still. These plates look right to me.
Two more!
Here are a few more photos of that last tureen and underplate
It's rare to find a tureen with intact underplate and these are very fine examples , imo. I especially like the birds. Sometimes the tobacco leaf pattern can be very garish, but these are quite restrained and subtle. Hope you can get them without spending too much.
tam
Thank you, Tam! Any thoughts as to their age? Are they all Qianlong?
I bought all the above. I hope I didn't spend too much-- I got the larger tureen and underplate for $500 and then the other two sets for $350 each. I couldn't find much to compare it to, and so I hope I did quite well.
Yes I agree with the above dating of qianlong , I don't think you find such quality in the C19th , and the base and feet look right. Sounds like you did well on the prices too . C18th export is often high quality and not very expensive right now , it seems .
tam
You did very well there. Guest & Gray in London offer a tobacco leaf platter for £8500.
Birgit
Thank you! You bring up an interesting point, which I have no idea the value of pieces like this! I assume that price point is quite absurd (but I have no idea!) If I would like to sell things, how do I get a sense of what a fair price would be?
It's very rare to find a tureen and underplate in tobacco leaf. Check Sotheby's and Christie's catalogs. There are a of of new stuff coming out of China. The colors are wrong (They aren't garish enough - look at the photos in the Debomy book and those catalogs.) and the weight is too heavy. If it looks too good to be true, be very careful.
Are you saying these do not look right?
They look right to me, but I'm no expert. Maybe your photos make them look a bit paler than they really are? But they do not necessarily have to look garish. Here's a picture with different variations from the book "Chinese Export Porcelain in North America". There were paler ones and more colorful ones. Sorry for the poor picture quality.
Here's the Guest and Gray plate (right column, third from bottom). I guess it's much too overprized, but those items don't turn up in large amounts, so I really don't know what would be an adequate price.
And here's a modern copy. See the difference in quality?
Birgit
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