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Chinese bronze censer: fake or fortune?
Uh, oh. I may have gotten into trouble again!
I just bought this 11" bronze censer because I love the design and details, although there are no photos of the inside bottom which I know is important in determining age - dumb of me, I know. The auction house said it was 19th century; I'm hoping I didn't score a lemon. Note the broken detail on the lid. Also, what is the mark? Can anyone tell?
P.S. The foo lion looks a little stiff compared to the Ming prototypes; the tail hairs don't come out separately. And what are those 5-pointed "stars" on his head? Could that be a way of avoiding swastikas? Hmm.
I still like it, though.
I'm not feeling overly optimistic regarding age. It looks a bit sharp around the edges.
@steve what’s the inside look like. It’s looks recently made as the handles and legs are soldered.
@lotusblack Hi Brian,
No photos of the interior. When I get it I'll share.
I don't see signs of soldering. The photos of the legs from below kind of look like that but the photos from the side don't show it, do they? Or are you referring to another part?
@Johnshoe Thanks, I agree. And, like I said, there is a stiffness to the lion.
This looks like soldering to me.
@lotusblack could it just be gunk left over from someone using polish on it?
@steve maybe take a pick to the gunk and see if it comes off like residue polish, maybe clean the gunk off with a soft bristle tooth brush and some vinegar and then wash that off. Might look better without so much shine, personal taste, some people might prefer the shine.😀
@sharonp it’s very possible it could be a polish compound do you think this has been polished?
Isn't all that white stuff in the deeper parts polish? When I was young, I remember we has a liquid polish that used to leave residue where it got stuck in indentations. Thinking about it, polish residue is probably in the a fakers repertoire.
Is that square area on the base a repair?
@julia Yes, I imagine the polish might be in the fake trick book. I searched Ebay for the bronze censers from China and they all made a point of looking old with lots of patina, for what it's worth. I think if it's new it's more like vintage, maybe from the 1950s.
@lotusblack Yes, I think it has been given a big polish, whether antique or vintage. Hopefully the new photos will show.
Oh, I missed one!
And here's a zoom in on the feet
I noticed that Christies' included one that matches the proportions and features in a photo from 23 years ago. It's hard to tell from the crappy photo but the proportions match; it seems it is a kind that probably dates from the 18th c. So if mine's a repro, they knew what they were doing.
Here is the photo
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