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Chawan, red-green palette
I’m sure this familiar color palette has a name..I should learn what it is. The shade of gray in particular made me think this has some age. Thanks, Todd
take it with a grain of salt
I guess this could be called red, Banreki Imari.
take it with a grain of salt
This small box was purchased at a local 'antique' shop, I do not think it has any real age to it, but it is a nice bright, white porcelain and it bears a mark. I too thought it was some type of Imari, but then I always think anything with the iron oxide red is Imari. I Googled Banreki Imari and some similar color schemes did come up. Maybe this mark will help or maybe not. I think part of this piece is transferware. Best, Sharon
Yes, that’s a modern object. Actually, I think it may be the lid and one layer of a jubako. Originally it may have had three to five layers. The mark is Chinese. Same color scheme, I agree.
take it with a grain of salt
A seller on ebay with a large 33" lamp with similar colors and the same red grid patterns is calling it ROSE MEDALLION, but who knows whether or not that is right or just a guess, he is seller augie.morosco out of California and he has several interesting items. Some listed as antique and some vintage, seems to go out of his way to show all faults and has a high rating for customer satisfaction, in any case, you may wish to check out the similar color scheme. I enjoyed looking at his items.
Thanks. The lamp is modern and printed. For modern items, I don’t think a label(style) is warranted. They are just new items, copying older styles, often inaccurately. No reason to call them anything other than “modern”...in my opinion.
But you do bring up a good point. I’m not even sure the chawan is Japanese, rather than Chinese. Although I think it probably is.
take it with a grain of salt
In the words of Harry Carey, "Holy cow," Peter talks about a Chinese piece with similar iron oxide red circles and red grid decoration to your bowl on today's video, it is a two handled odd looking vase.
Todd, as per usual, beautiful piece ya got there mate.
Banreki Imari is a good starting point - cannot offer you any additional info with 100% tangible certainty beyond that currently with a quick glance (I've been out of commission the past few days dealing with 4-figures of product loss/damage to consigned items and my own collection; so my apologies for the delay..)
This is something I can say with certainty.
Your porcelain box is neither a Chinese repo, nor 100% transfer although it does have a transferred base-coat.
It is "modern" by antique standards, but to me it is something you should be (immensely) proud of owning and may enjoy some additional info on, as the maker has one of the best and enduring stories of any porcelain producer in history to me:
That little trinket dish/box was produced by Henri Hiroyuki Takahashi, who founded the San Francisco based Takahashi Trading Co in the Showa Period post WW2.
He was born during the early days of the Taishō period in Tokyo, briefly located to Hawaii as a child before his family settled in California near the Oakland area. When he was a lad in college during the 30s, his family moved back to Japan and he decided to stay in America to study art and work in a local newspaper. To fund his education, he worked a variety of obscure jobs for many hours a week, building up his savings as a poker player on the side. One day he met the daughter of a well regarded businessman in the mid-30s, fell and love and got married shortly after. World War 2 broke out shortly after, and like many Japanese civilians living in America, he and his new wife were unjustly rounded up and shipped inland to an interment camp for several years.. I believe in Utah if I remember correctly.
While there he continued to work on his art and business ideas, while also working on a local newspaper to stimulate his free-time in forced captivity (and that's what we're going to call it, because that's what it was - no matter how much America wants to distance themselves from it and re-write history or gloss over what we shamefully did to lawful Japanese-American civilians).
After he was released at the conclusion of the war, he relocated to San Francisco and established his namesake manufacturing and production company; the Takahashi Trading Corporation, in Japantown. At first it was a very humble shoppe, tiny in its size and area - and initially would import small amounts of wares from Japan (whatever he could afford) to be sold domestically, and export when he could.
He would go on to grow it into one of the best known American producers of Japanese-wares, especially Imari, of the 20th century.
A multinational corporation at its later peak.
Almost all of his money earned, at first, went back to families in Japan who had been devastated by the war.
Over time, with the loyal and ever-loving assistance of his wife, he would establish many charities aimed at assisting both the local California Japanese population locally - and nationally for victims who were misplaced or families that were separated as a result of being forced into internment camps.
Over the course of the decades, he would go on to become a well regarded philanthropist - donating to several notable Japanese arts and communication societies, communities, and museums. Including the famous National Japanese American Historical Society.
His impact, I feel, was never truly realized. He loved arts and journalism, and he loved bringing joy to others and helping however he could.
Unfortunately he passed away in the early 2000s in his late 80s, leaving behind a massive yet humble legacy.
I once had the privilege of meeting one of his old poker buddies from the pre-war days, one night playing roulette at the casino a couple of years back during my own days as a weekend poker rounder while managing a few tobacco stores shortly after I dropped out of college.
To this day, it's been one of my favourite memories of all time.
Goodness, we must've lost $2000+ that night haha... "all black, baby!" we would yell jeeringly at everybody else, and I remember doing my usual 4+ hour early morning drive back to my apartment regretting nothing; but knowing I forever would be thankful for that memory - even though I was unaware of just how important Mr. Takahashi and his legacy was until a few years later.
Apologies for the lengthy write-up (as per usual)
For me, it goes to show the "intrinsic" value that some pieces maintain for certain collectors. You can find these all over the web for $30-$50 with ease; but mine remains next to my Nanking Cargo and Shibuya Deishi attributed Hagi-yaki Chawan on my shelf section of "nostalgia or personally priceless" pieces due to the personal connection or memories I share with them.
I'll never sell this, even if I have no money to my name. I hope this helps you get some context behind yours as well, and be proud of owning (imo) something overlooked by many.
Best regards - and hope all is well,
Thanks so much JRN. I completely missed the mark on Sharon’s jar. I should have looked more carefully and maybe I would have seen the quality. The glossy finish and familiar pattern lead me to assume it was just another modern reproduction. Also, the mark looked Chinese to me at a glance. Honestly, if I had looked more carefully, I still would have had no idea what it was. But at least I would have noticed the hand painting. Sorry about that, Sharon.
JRN, sorry to hear you had some losses to your collection. That is a difficult thing.
take it with a grain of salt
I just watched Peter’s video. So, that is a Ming, Swatow piece. Very provincial, for sure. I guess this is quite an old pattern, still being used to this day. New information for me. Peter called it something...not Banreki (maybe Banreki is the Japanese equivalent?). He said Kinrundi...Kanrendi...not sure. Maybe someone can enlighten me. Thanks again, Sharon.
take it with a grain of salt
My friend, what on earth are you apologizing for?! Absolutely NO need, whatsoever.
I assure you - I've been more incorrect in a single day of guessing or shooting an opinion than you likely have been in your entire life 🤣
What's ironic is when I first came across mine, I TOO thought the mark to be a standard mid-late 20th century Chinese export factory seal myself! Haha. I must've spent 2-3 days searching "Imari Plaid Chinese Lidded Porcelain Jar" or ect in vain before I eventually found out about the Takahashi Trading Co!
From what I've read and been told, apparently Japanese pieces later in the 20th century featured marks like Chinese ones (especially once the Chinese market started picking up to be the behemoth its become today), and some Chinese pieces have marks featured that look Japanese when it was a strong market too.
(Side note: what is crazy to me, is watching early 2000s antique shows when the Japanese market was so much stronger than what it is now, and seeing crazy high auction values and estimates for pieces now that would sit for months or years at a fraction of the price; and seeing rather "conservative" then-estimates on Chinese pieces that now would likely add another "0" to the price tag, if not several!)
Hope you are having a good week sir, and appreciate the condolences on the collection - I'm sure they'll make fun practice repair pieces when I can get around to it 😊
I'll see if I can ask around on your gorgeous piece of Imari and get back to you later if I'm told anything or can find some time myself to look around. I hope you are enjoying having it regardless! Love the patterning..
Thanks, my friend. I really do try my best not to tell people that they have something that is less than what it is. So, when I do it, it does bother me a bit. But we all make mistakes, as you point out, so its fine.
That does make me feel better, that you also had the same feeling about your piece, upon initial inspection. You are quite knowledgeable, as we all know. Your humble protestations do not mask that fact. 😋
Good luck with the repairs and thanks as always for your continued help. Have a great weekend!
take it with a grain of salt
Thank you JRN for the great information on Mr. Takahashi. I have read Farewell to Manzanar and I remember my answer to a law professor who posed the question to me, "the first vicim of war is," I answered, "the Constitution." He laughed and said, "truth." However, I stand with my response. I will treasure my example, especially after learning the story.
Thank you JRN for your very informative information/explanation on the Japanese artist/other.
I too actually thought it was a chinese mark with very distinct Japanese influences/other. So I was a bit puzzled. 🤔
Now I know.
Todd, the kind words mean very much to me - and serve as needed and always appreciated encouragement: thank you ever so kindly.
Hopefully 3 members agreeing with you that we all thought it was Chinese initially shows you that it was a popular opinion nonetheless 😀, and one far more passable than when I ask if obvious 2000s repos are Kanxgi mark & period 🤣 😆 practice makes perfect
Wishing you a great weekend yourself! Looking forward to seeing whatever unique pieces you may post next, you must have quite the nice collection based on the past few posts alone..
HA. Sharp answer, would have loved to be there. Did not know you had a background studying law! Was also my slotted path until life chose a (very different) direction for me; in hindsight somewhat thankful it did.. so many state and federal precedents & case law to memorize LOL
Glad you could enjoy some ramblings from me, thankful it adds to your appreciation to your lovely vintage piece!
We will chalk this one up to the fact it was not coated in priceless antique jade for now 😉
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