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Are the fakers up to it again?
So I purchased this trinkets box for very cheap $10 bucks I felt the inscribe China was strange. So either it’s a Guangxu box or a modern fake that the faker inscribe the China mark to give the impression of an early date. My felling is the base looks good for a late Qing piece.
I would expect a grid and dot pattern on a Guangxu dragon, but maybe that’s no fixed rule.
Additionally, I feel the waves and key-fret border are not done correctly, I would expect them to look less messy. I love the dragon's faces, especially the yellow one!
It is interesting isn't how that CHINA mark has been inscribed? Do you think someone bought it thinking it was Ming then hoped they could pass it off as Guangxu?
What do the insides look like?
@julia the dragon on the top lid looks familiar but I can’t place it. I think the enamels are good for late Qing. But the style is strange but it is a Wanli attempt. That inscribed mark is my problem like why inscribe it and not red stamp it.
I find the whole thing rather shiny and am not sure the orange peel is correct but I just found a Guangxu piece for comparison. It seems tidier and more controlled. The decoration on yours is more like you would expect on a Ming piece.
@julia that it it’s Ming period but the sellers couldn’t get it out the country so they inscribed China to smuggle it out. Lol
That was the other option, but I struggled with it for various reasons. It will turn out to be the correct one now I have said that! 🤣
Perhaps ask John to stick felt pads on the base. 😉 😆
So Tim mentioned a oily rainbow on the glaze points to late Qing early republic if this is a trait then this would suggest that period. I would like to learn more about the rainbow effect
So, I’m not sure what the exact range might be on the rainbow iridescence on green enamel, but I’d place your box in late Qing into the Republic period for certain.
The overall rendering of these faux Wanli wucai porcelains are always rather rushed, and strangely the porcelain itself seems quite white and well constructed- such was the taste at that time.
In my opinion its a copy/attribute of a Ming design. I believe that because of the way the front facing dragon is depicted.
Wucai porcelain is not my strongest area. But as @Greeno107 has posted not all wucai was painted in the highest quality/manner.
@shinigami is correct. Most guangxu period dragons have both criss-crossed with dots. But just criss-crossed or simply dots were also used both during the guangxu period and subsequent republican period. The high quality were better portrayed.
Here is a genuine Kangxi period example depicting the fierce front facing dragon.
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