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Topic starter 04/08/2021 9:43 am  

@brettm Thank you for the book reference - I think your right.

I have Shiwan figural pieces… they all look so old, but many are just modern copies.

I guess my theory of this vase being 17th c. is in part based on my belief that the 19th c. label would not likely have been put on a contemporary piece (one made in the 19th c.)

Good discussion - thanks!


   
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Topic starter 04/08/2021 9:55 am  

Here’s one that has similar glaze sold by Christie’s, but no attribution of age.

https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-5689731


   
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04/08/2021 12:08 pm  

 

@greeno107 

Found very little in my reference works on Shiwan kilns except for a moulded prunus vase (like you had already posted) in the San Francisco Asian Arts Collection. However, I do have a small meiping that looks to be Shiwan type that was purchased years ago with some other small items from a fellow collector.  It had come from an old New York dealer (E&J Frankel) who dated it to the Ming Dynasty. It has small crackle throughout the creamy glaze and a recessed base that is fairly deep for it’s small size (4 1/4”).  This item is far outside my area of knowledge so I don’t have a clue if it is really that old.

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Topic starter 04/08/2021 12:38 pm  

@william Just look at that deep foot! I think we’re on to something. Thank you!


   
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04/08/2021 6:01 pm  

@greeno107 

Sorry it  took a while to respond, my harddrive from my old paintings that have sold is nowhere to be found.  Here is a photo of a label which I know the collection date on the piece is 1804, note the stylized border, I think I will stretch my range on your label to the first half of the 19th century. And I will add that I think looking at the 17th century examples of deep feet, I think you are narrowing it down well.

Jeremy

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