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Any thoughts on the age of this vase? It has an old label with a catalog number and the word ‘XIHE’ written in fountain pen.
The handles are unlike late Qing handles that depict a friendly ‘foo dog’, but rather a ferocious Buddhist lion.
The glaze is thick and pitted, foot rim is extremely deep, and the paste is stoneware-like, but definitely porcelain.
My thinking is that if it was catalogued as an antique in the 19th c., then it must have been at least 100 years old at the time the label was made (or at least thought to be that old).
There’s also a small label with 6 characters in kanji script. Can anyone recognize this mark?
It was sold to me as 19th c. I think it looks quite a bit older.
Not able to help on the vase but that label looks 1840's-1860's to me, and I suspect it wouldn't have been put on a new piece.
Though that foot rim and the way it is trimmed really does look to have age, I just do not know these wares at all.
Jeremy
@jbeer2121 Hiw did you come up with the date on the use of this type of label?
I’m coming up with very little on finding anything similar, but this type of Buddhist lion handles seem to have been used in Dehua vases from the 17th c.
https://www.dia.org/art/collection/object/sleeve-vase-two-molded-lion-head-handles-37555
I will hunt for the pictures I may still have on my computer when I get home, but I have dealt with a lot paintings from Europe, 16th through 19th century, and that style of bordered label really fits with what I have seen in that time period. Also I will say the foot reminds me of some mid 17th century pieces, I just cannot find anything comparable.
Jeremy
@jbeer2121 That would be great if you’re able to find some photos.
I just found this crackle green vase - Kangxi period. Good provenance and reputable dealer.
Notice how shallow the foot is on the Kangxi example, and how the lion handles are a bit more Qing -like.
https://www.johnmoran.com/auction-lot/a-chinese-apple-green-crackle-glaze-fanghu-vase_C9743D9AFD
I have seen the lion mask on allegedly Ming pieces but also on much more recent ones. I have some on a vase, which I am convinced is mid-20th c PROC.
The label does look old, but is there anyway you can tell it has been re-used from something else? I am not saying it has, just eliminating possibilities. If I were shown the base, I would guess at it being 19th c.
@julia I think any attempt to transfer the label would have resulted in cracking or creases, so I’m sure it was not transferred.
I would be interested in seeing any example of Qing wares that have this type of deep foot and/or handles if you have some photos.
According to the style and glaze I think it's from Shiwan kiln, late Qing period.
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@xin_fawis Thank you! Yes, Shiwan kiln wares match up well, but I can’t find photos is the bottoms. That deep foot is unusual for Qing period wares.
The archaic examples I find all seem to be 17th c., and 19th c. examples I see are green glazed pottery.
Is there anything to learn from the labels? Could you translate the 6 characters?
Thanks!
It’s definitely porcelain, not pottery. Does that disqualify Shiwan wares?
It also could be something from Fujian local kilns. Really hard to identify the paste without handling in this case.
The label is kind of inventory label, it reads "number not big (size or type) eleven". It's an old way of categorization.
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@xin_fawis Thank you!
So, I’m looking through examples held by the Smithsonian museum.
This one is similar in glaze and the use of relief decoration, but no photo of the base. However, the deep foot might be unique to fanghu shapes (although Qing examples still seem to not have deep foots).
Here’s one that sold and shows the foot. The paste does look very similar.
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/10806540_76-a-rare-ming-dynasty-shiwan-stoneware-vase-17th-cen
Tim, you are right, I can’t find anything with the deep foot except on older, usually metal, examples. Neither can I find a late qing vase of this shape with those handles. If I do, I will let you know.
Hello @greeno107,
Think your vase originates from South China. There are several similar vase's illustrated in Shiwan Ceramics Beauty color and passion published by the Chinese culture foundation of San Francisco. The Buddhist Lion handles with the large molded in ring is a common feature. They all mostly made in the form of ancient bronze prototypes They have very similar base's to your vase. The body of the ceramic is a slightly gritty highly fired stoneware. It is fired at a high enough temperate that the body has almost vitrified to the point it can feel like porcelain. According the the book mentioned above your vase is glazed in what is called Moon white crackle. This glaze has been in use since the Ming dynasty it has however been used in later periods. These type of wares were made over quite a large area in South China so attributing to a particular kiln can be very difficult, but guess it's safe to say Shiwan type. The body type and firing method did not change until the 20thc so it is safe to say your vase is not a modern copy but as the methods did not change for such a long time distinguishing between the Ming and Qing is very difficult and would require a lot of experience and study.
Cheers
Michael
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