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I have these vases for a few years.
Any help is welcome to identify these vases.
Go to the reference section and do a search for Satsuma Marks, The Joy of Beauty. The gols cross in a circle is the clan mark of the ruling family of the province.
I looked at that book, but I am hopeless with marks as I have to find a character that visually reminds me of something, like the bottom character on the right of the single photo of the foot, reminds me of a Scottie Dog on his hind quarters begging for a treat. That does not account for the differences in calligraphy style. I had no luck searching for Angus. Perhaps a member familiar with Japanese may be able to place.
Hi,
The marks look slightly different, that may be typical due to being written by different artists or it could be a faked mark, I don't know.
All I can tell you is that very often with 2 rows, the first might read dai nippon with last character in the other row being something farly easy to identify to do with the name such as zan or sei. I am struggling to see those; sometimes the last one might read made, but I can't see that either as it is all a bit messy and I don't read Japanese.
There are some good websites such as www.satsuma-database.nl and another whose name escapes me, that may help you.
If you do find the mark, compare the style and quality of the work on yours with other pieces by the same company just to make sure. With any luck someone will come along soon who can identify it for you.
Julia
Hello Hans,
It seems to me you have a bit of a fondness for Satsuma; there are some beautiful forms to be had I feel, and unseen ones surfacing regularly!
The penmanship is a little unpolished (as is common), but the mark essentially I believe to be a variant of “Satsuma” then “Hododa Tsukuru”.. (made) - and to be transparent, I cannot discern the relation/meaning of the lower right-most character at this time; but at least we have most of it down!
These do indeed look to be a pair produced for the Yokohama based dealer/merchant Hododa (Takihichi), who is otherwise less documented about than some prominent Satsuma figures, yet known enough to be considered somewhat prominent himself.
He is associated through limited records traced to have known and worked with others that were quite regarded (he started originally decorating blanks made by Chin Jukan XII, commonly said to be one of the foremost “founders of modern satsuma” then).
Originally he was a tea trader, which I find interesting (and not surprising when you see there’s often his markings on better quality dragon tea ware types!)
Most artists working in his shoppe did not sign their name often, but some very talented ones were said to have worked in association with/for him at some point.
Even if largely he did produce more “export type” pieces with Samurai/Immortals/Dragons, ect, to appeal to western tastes in large numbers: I have seen some truly exceptional pieces produced under the Hododa banner, and even the standard export types under his brand were of at least fair to good quality - usually better than most comparatively.
I am admittedly strange in my Satsuma preferences, but these are objectively well done - and I have a soft spot for the merchant himself, as one of my first “great finds” was a piece by him, too.
Hope this helps; and happy hunting!
Best,
-JRN
No problem Hans!
Glad to see there’s still some reachable pieces popping up often; hope more find their way to you.
@gfhandel
Thank you my friend, I think you are most certainly right: far more often than not that these were suffixed with “-yaki” if preceded by “Satsuma”, so I think that’s a safe assumption.
Appreciate you always assisting us.
Best regards,
-JRN
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