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I want to show everybody this 18th century Kangxi stem cup with dragon and cafe au lait exterior , Fake or genuine ? What do you all think?
8cm's tall , the condition looks really good if not too good ?
Carl
If you have it then it is likely genuine. I am just an amateur and because of that i would walk past a million dollar chinese vase and think nothing of it. This is one such item. i would think it is a knock off but then i always think the most expensive items sold on Christies look fake. It looks almost brand new but i can see traces that make it look antique.
Dear Carl,
the brown surface IMO looks too smooth to be old. The outlines of the dragon have a printed look, with the dots on the scales and a few details hand painted but with a different tone of blue. Might be a photographic effect though. What worries me most however is that blue and white in combination with brown, the so called Batavia style, was confined to cheap export porcelain from Kangxi to Qianlong. It usually comes in the form of teacups and plates with simple flowers and landscapes. I'm far from being an expert so I hope someone else can shed more light on this.
Birgit
Here's a little Batavia cup I own, probably Yongzheng. Note the glaze irregularities in the brown outside.
Birgit
Hi Carl,
I’m a novice, but if I was buying this, I’d notice the following:
This ‘gapping’ could be down to wear on tbe bowl, distortion because of the location on the bowl, reflection of light or...... transfer print. I’m yet to find an explanation as to how this might happen on a handpainted piece, but I suppose it’s not impossible if the artist is aiming for a fluid expression?
As SD points out, there are other aspects that suggest it may be older: the foot looks like it is hand trimmed? There are also what appear to be brush points at the end of lines. Mind you, I would not put it passed the forgers to actually add these traits to the copper plate from which the transfer is to be taken!
The blue infill is done by hand, one can see the odd area where it overflows the lines. This, as I understand, is not often a good sign!
Nic
Sorry! By the time I’d added my comment Birgit had already pointed out that it has some traits of printed ware!
Sorry to have repeated the info!
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JUst a further comment: Birgit that is interesting about the irregularities in the brown. I recently was tempted by a Batavia bowl with hairline but just wasn't sure; wish I'd known this then, that would have been something I could have looked for. I will know next time! Thank you!
Birgit - Yes, a good camera is like a loupe!
Julia - I think you’re right. Even some of the lines are dotted.
Nic
Thanks for all the comments guys , I am uneasy with the piece myself , the dotting is a method of Chinese painting on porcelain though i have seen the process being done in a Jingdezhen workshop , Would a printing process give a heaped and pilled effect? I guess the fakers can do it .
The two parts that are the most concerning to me is the lack of wear of any kind and the broken lines particularly on the claws , this however can be attributed to impurities in the cobalt but i assume in this instance it must be a red flag , I am leaning toward a very modern Fake.
Carl
Hi Carl -
Adding all that has been said above, the glaze to interior of the bowl and foot stem appear very 'white/clean', and also the trimming/finishing of the foot is wrong, IMO.
Stuart
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