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There is no article in the npm link, only photos. But i think i've found it now.
https://theme.npm.edu.tw/exh102/qianlong/en/en02.html
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Sotheby's essay does not mention art unfortunately, but it's a good read.
How is there a China-Arabic link in the design? I mean yes it looks Arabic, and European as the etching designs, but how is it possible at that time was there cultural exchange at all.?
I will follow this auction it looks set to break price record, who knows, and also on the poppies bowl up for sale with not even a printed estimate.
Hi,
I don't know if this helps, but I am reading a book on a language history of the world and in the chapter I recently read on the similarities in the endurance of Egyptian and Chinese, it says that many foreign missions including Muslims (ie arabic speaking) reached China at the end of the Tang dynasty. Arabic speaking areas increased enormously as the Muslim religion spread so I imagine that there would have been many opportunities for the kind of cultural exchanges (maybe not all peaceful) that you refer to.
Julia
Yet another 'Bainbridge' vase appears on the open market!
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Currently US $5.53 just 22h 17m 24s (27 Sep, 2018 20:44:58 BST) to go... Could be a new world-record!
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It does help, thanks Julia. Did not think of it in terms of language, a good angle. It makes sense that it would be the missions as Islam spread east.
It's strange to think of an Arabic influence on such intrinsically Chinese art but it does seem so. They are such different cultures. I tend to think of the influence of China -and India, on Arabic designs, but not the other way around.
Escher and Duerer's etchings i thought were to do with symmetry or geometry and not just copying arabic geometric / tessellation patterns. Arabic patters seem in turn lifted from indian mathematical proportions, or maybe based on nature. ?
- institut du monde arabe
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While Europe fell into the feudalism of the ‘dark ages’ the rest of the world to the east were exchanging ideas, blending cultures, and creating a more enlightened view of the world. We all still live the influences created at that time.
While Europe fell into the feudalism of the ‘dark ages’ the rest of the world to the east were exchanging ideas, blending cultures, and creating a more enlightened view of the world. We all still live the influences created at that time.
Totally agree. I remember something from my studies, first time I read that in Bertrand Russell's work. During those 'dark ages' the cultural centres were located in the monasteries and each had a small collection of different volumes, not many though, on average a dozen for each monastery. Same time in Baghdad there was a street with 100 bookshops, each packed with different works: philosophical, mathematical, astronomical, etc. from the level of the floor up to the ceiling, manuscripts were fillip up those stores. During the whole time of my studies, this was brought up multiple times: without Arabic culture and their translations, absolutely essential for our civilisation works of Plato, Aristotle and many others simply wouldn't survive. We can study them thanks to Arabic schools of translations located in Italy and Spain in Medieval Europe. Personally I think it is absolutely amazing how all those influences circulated and stimulated different cultures. That's our common heritage.
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And the crusaders burnt them, such a loss.
The poppies bowl nixe mentions is estimated at hk$ 200 million according to an article in The Value. It is thereby also a qualified candidate of a new record-breaker for Qing dynasty ceramics.
https://en.thevalue.com/articles/nicolas-chow-sothebys-chinese-art-2018
It is also noted in the article that the guan lobed washer also to be auctioned tomorrow is estimated at hk$ 80 million. It is thereby a qualified candidate of a new record-breaker for guan ware of the Song dynasty.
Hard to fathom such a valuation, if you say 200 million HK really fast it doesn’t seem like such a large amount. Unfortunately, next week Ebay will have dozens of freshly minted Bowles just like that, all highly discounted fo course.
or even 138mill. before rescinded the bainbridge vase went up to 40 times its estimate out in west ruislip, not quite sotherbys hk. hard to fathom final prices given the history and interest generated you never know with auctions. sothebys are usually pretty accurate on their estimates. in the case of the poppies bowl part of the estimate may be to do with the previous bowl that sold for over 20m gbp.
Clearly a billionaires game. But now we've got the results and it seems no new records were set. The Yamanaka Retictlated Vase sold for HK$ 149,091,000 - more than twice the estimate but still half the hk$ 300,000,000 that was apparently paid for the Bainbridge vase. The Falangcai Poppy Bowl sold a bit below the estimate for hk$ 169,413,000. That's still quite a nice result for the consigner who paid hk$ 29.2 million for it in 2003. And then finally the Guan Lobed Washer hit the nail right on the estimate and sold for hk$ 81,351,000. I had actually expected that one to go much higher given its close relation to Ru ware and the fact that the estimate of the record breaking Ru washer from the Le Cong Tang Collection was hk$ 100 million. In this video you can see the two imperial treasures of the Southern Song Dynasty side by side.
I need to make a small correction here. Ru ware was not made in the Southern Song dynasty but in the Northern Song dynasty of cause. Laohudong 'Xiuneisi' Guan ware was made in the Southern Song dynasty. But it's very interesting that the Guan Lobed Washer sold at Sotheby's has oval spur marks like Qingliangsi Ru ware. I got a tripod censer last year with blue glaze and and a 'diamond' cracle similar to the Ru washer from the Le Cong Tang Collection that also has oval spur marks and a grey paste just like the Sotheby's Lobed Guan Washer. Originally bought as 18th century Longquan ware from this Japanese dude but likely authentic Southern Song dynasty Laohudong 'Xiuneisi' Guan ware. Both Ru, Guan, Jun and Longquan ware can have the blue glaze with the diamond crackle. I talked about it at the asianart.com-forum. (Some of the pictures might be extractable from the original listing but please don't copy them.)
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