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So I have just put an offer on this one but thought it might be wise to ask for opinion here before I complete the payment.
I find it interesting how the base compares with this one from Sothebys Australia.
https://auctions.sothebysaustralia.com.au/lots/view/1-I2M2L/a-longquan-celadon-meiping-ming-dynasty
Note that this guy dates his Chinese items from the style. Many of them are later copies and he has also listed modern fakes but I bought pieces from him some years ago and got some nice seemingly authentic period pieces among the fakes from him.
Hi Corey,
I am a bit confused, are you saying you are buying it because you think it might be Ming and that the bases are similar or different?
I think they are different: the ebay item has what looks to be a ring of lighter glaze inside the foot rim, is that because it is shallower there? Or is that what you meant, too?
I don't know enough about Ming wares of any kind to comment but if it were Ming, I would expect it to have been snapped up quickly at that price. I think it is much later. The Sotheby's one is beautiful and the ebay one does not compare in any respect in my eyes, but that may just be my personal taste.
Hope someone can really help you, soon.
Best wishes,
Julia
This vase is definitly modern.
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This modern vase has the Yaozhou style, not Longquan.
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Is there a reason why he doesn't show the bottom of the vase? The other Ming celadon vase he offers looks modern, the Qing pieces also look modern apart from the blue and white arabesque items that were produced in great amounts towards the end of the 19th century and still abound on the market. Everything seems to cost between 200 and 300 $ which is much for a 19th century blue and white mass item but little for a real Ming vase. I would be careful.
Birgit
Sorry my answer took so long to write (had to help my husband putting some plants into the aquariums) that others overtook me with their answer. Still I'm a bit confused, I have looked at the 10 Ebay pictures several times but can see no picture of the foot.
Birgit
Hi Shinigami , there is a picture of the base inside the listing , if you scroll down.
I agree with Julia , the footrim and base do not really compare in form or shape to the base on the sotheby's vase, and I would be very suspicious, on the price alone , as mentioned by others. - the seller describes it as 'very old', but if Xin thinks it's modern then in all likelihood it is.
tam
Thanks for the assistance. The seller didn't accept my offer and I have declined his counteroffer.
Here's a possible option. ? tho i don't think this listing is any better nor the price for what it is.
This other different GyroAA item -a korean sake bottle- sports some messy shape and burn-like marks. what is that about. ?
The celadon maiping on the australian sothebys site is lovely, i doubt there'd be anything like it around on ebay.
I would really like to get my hands on the longquan plate you just linked to. And even more on this longquan meiping described as 18th century from the same seller that is already sold, although I'm sceptical about the authencity myself.
I also partly disagree with Xin that the meiping is certainly yaozhou ware. Yaozhou style perhaps but the carved decoration style is also found on longquan ware, and my research first indicated that the bases are different and that the unglazed footring and the evenly glazed interior of the base would indicate longquan kiln. This might not be correct however and the meiping might as well be yaozhou kiln. Here is an example of a longquan meiping with a carved decoration similar to that of Yaozhou ware from Sotheby's.
We also talked a little about this yaozhou bowl (wrongfully described as Cizhou) from GyroAA on this forum. Personally I think it's a real one.
And I also wish I had bought this charming yingqing cup+stand that I also belive is a real Song-Yuan period piece even though it's dated 1850-1899 by the seller, but I try to restrain myself from buying items on eBay these days..
The vase on sotheby's is a Longquan ware from Northern Song period. At this period Longquan kiln (from South) was not popular and copied a lot Yue ware and Yaozhou ware (both from North) which were very popular. That's why Northern Song Longquan wares have strong charaters of them. After invasion of Jin regime Northern Song dynasty went south (Southern Song dynasty) and supported Longquan kiln. Since them Longquan kiln got it's own style.
The vase you shown at the beginning has a Yaozhou pattern which is mostly used for bowls. The carving technic is typical Yaozhou.
The other "Song ceramics" from this seller are all modern copies. Some of them are done really well, but not perfect.Don't waste your money on those things. Go to museum and train you eyes. Go to auctions like Sotheby's and Christie's, you can touch them at exibition time sometimes.
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There seem to be a rash of these song dynasty qingbai or sky blue items appearing on ebay , all with the same characteristics of the glaze (pooling in the recess, or interior). They have been discussed in other threads here, and deemed by those who know to be modern fakes , so I agree with Xin, I would stay away from them , even though they are superficially attractive.
In general , I think Japanese sellers of Chinese porcelain/pottery on ebay are not selling genuine items ; the fakers in China are finding multiple ways to get their stuff out , and to deceive people about the origins of their items. The bidamount newsletter almost never features sellers from Japan. There may be exceptions of course.
tam
Beautiful objects of desire. !
I agree museums and auction exhibits are a good way to get close up to and good fun too.
I'm kind of old school we used to trawl the markets and antiques stores with my parents as a kid. It is all online now, all from photos. So it is difficult to be able to find things online, but not impossible as i see on posts here.
There's a whole lot of active threads on Gotheborg's section about celadon, green/brown/blue or ''green glazed' wares, some good to compare with, least for me, if that's any useful.
http://www.gotheborg.com/discus/read.php?file=/10/10.html&lm=1540107747
Thank you for your answer, xin. I see what you mean. I wanted to ask how you could tell them apart , but there are differences in the decoration, and I also later found yaozhou examples with unglazed footring and evenly glazed bases, so I guess you are rigtht that it's yaozhou after all.
Thank you for your answer, xin. I see what you mean. I wanted to ask how you could tell them apart , but there are differences in the decoration, and I also later found yaozhou examples with unglazed footring and evenly glazed bases, so I guess you are rigtht that it's yaozhou after all.
Well, you see the differences too. If you have seen hundreds or thousands of them, you will get a basic feeling about that. I studied the details of them quite a lot. I collected fragments to compare the pastes. If you are familiar with those things, look at them everyday, you will know that. ?
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