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Good results for Korean ceramics from Japanese seller. Authentic or not?
There was also a Goryeo celadon ewer that sold for $5,300.00. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find similar axmples on museum or auction sites. https://www.ebay.com/itm/MAY063-KOREAN-GORYEO-CELADON-PORCELAIN-EWER-WATER-JUG-LEAF-LID-/372668113085?hash=item56c4c020bd%3Ag%3A5J8AAOSwKRVc1j-S&nma=true&si=oOOV8w1g2fafxuFHwgi6OYfm3Bw%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 And then there was this buncheong celadon bottle that sold for $1,000.oo. https://www.ebay.com/itm/MAY251-KOREAN-POTTERY-BOTTLE-DOUBLE-FISH-RELIEF-ENGRAVING-/352680706555?hash=item521d6881fb%3Ag%3ANbsAAOSwVaZc8brq&nma=true&si=oOOV8w1g2fafxuFHwgi6OYfm3Bw%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 I came across very similar examples on museum sites that I unfortunately can't relocate right now but it seems closely related to this example sold at Christie's for $3,132.000 against a $150,000 - 200,000 estimate.
Likely made for serving wine, this bottle with flattened, circular sides sports incised decoration on each face: a fish playfully swimming amidst rolling waves on one and an abstract, geometric pattern on the other. Stylized leaves and geometric designs enliven the two slender side panels.
Literature: Koyama Fujio, et al., Korean Ceramics of the Yi Dynasty, vol. 14 of Sekai toji zenshu / Collection of World's Ceramics (Tokyo: Zauho Press and Kawade Shobo, 1956), no. 26.Tanaka Toyotaro, Mishima (Mishima wares of Korea), vol. 28 of Toki zenshu(Compendium of ceramics) (Tokyo: Heibonsha, 1962), no. 17.
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Ok Thanks Corey.
I asked because I recall you got a lovely |item from this seller a long time ago, I cannot recall what it was exactly but you were delighted with it. I agree it takes a long time to learn enough to be confident to buy items. Especially Korean and from so far away.
Ok good luck with this. I think Brigit recently got some South East Asian Thailand Kendi.
There was another similar bottle that sold for only $100 by the same seller. https://www.ebay.com/itm/JUN018-KOREAN-POTTERY-BOTTLE-DOUBLE-FISH-RELIEF-ENGRAVING-VASE-/352684019899?hash=item521d9b10bb%3Ag%3A0scAAOSwokxc9tGX&nma=true&si=bUuFE9P30Z21%252F1ycDZ%252BrBMxAoNs%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
분청사기어문편병(粉靑沙器魚文扁甁) 조선초기 15세기? 조선 초기에 제작된 분청사기로, 청자에 화장/분장을 햇다는 제작과정의 명칭을 적용해서, 화장/분장한 청자라는 의미가 적용되어 분청사기라고 명명된 도자기로, 그 명칭은 우현 고유섭 선생에 의해 부여되었다고한다. 그런데, 위에 자료는 분청사기어문편병(물고기 문양의 납작한 분청사기)이다. 편병이란 납짝한 병이란 뜻으로, 물레로 제작되는 공정을 고려하면, 일반적인 물레 성형의 형태가 원형이 어야 하건만, 납작한 형태를 띄고있다.
The potential value of these flasks are pretty high I think. A bottle decorated with a single fat fish was included in a lot consisting of four porcelains and estimated at $300,000 - $400,000 at Sotheby's in 1996 (when the market of Korean ceramics peaked) according to this link. https://www.amazon.com/Private-Collection-Korean-Art/dp/B000H0KASK?fbclid=IwAR2owP7ksJ7ZArucIUOn0BzZE7yyRaCrpT_kax1QlvYHU8WuOK1pikK0Fj8
It seems nearly identical to a flask accuired by the National Museum of Korea in 2014 according to this link. http://www.korea.net/NewsFocus/Culture/view?articleId=122287&fbclid=IwAR1_9Yj9tsWECr73vHRZvFrmi2JYZjo-6vcjlNgVcpvvCXpnQPALVpodjU8
I just can't belive that these treasures not only sold for just bargains but are also being totally ignored by the members of this forum. And there were many more highly desireble pieces available by the same seller ...
Yes, that may be the reason why. But now I have picked up the celadon bowl. It's this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/JUN243-KOREAN-GORYEO-CELADON-PORCELAIN-TEA-BOWL-CHAWAN-/372697508446?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=rBnOGEoE6Hsrw3m3NqTUes%252BRedY%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc You can see how the glaze compares with the Xhanggongxiang ru dish unsold at Christie's in 2016; the celadon color, the crackle of the glaze that is called 'crab claw crackle' by the Chinese, but also the black spots and the thinning of the glaze along the rim:
An important and exceptionally rare Ruzhou celadon rectangular dish, Northern Song, 11th-12th century - Alain.R.Truong
Lot 3119. An important and exceptionally rare R uzhou celadon rectangular dish, N orthern S ong, 11th- 12th century. Estimate HK$8,000,000 - HK$12,000,000 ($1,034,696 - $1,552,044). Photo Christie's Image Ltd 2016. The rectangular dish is finely moulded with shallow rounded sides rising from a flat base to a wide everted rim with canted corners.
There is an excavated ru bowl in the same shape that can be seen in this link: http://www.gg-art.com/column/read.php?newsid=28658&fbclid=IwAR0_YAqpb5J63hqwlk_NW9_dpHZYROZd8adps3wS8H8J3Mav2k400m0axHU All the Goryeo celadon bowl I can find online have inlaid or incised decoration or they have spur marks at the base. The one I just picked up have an unglazed foot ring. Some of the ru pieces at British Museum have unglazed foot rings including the Alexander bowl that is also depicted in Christie's lot essay.
And in at least on case a cup holder thought to be Korean Goryeo dynasty celadon turned out to be Chinese Song dynasty ru ware:
Many experts have considered the porcelain titled "Korean Celadon Cup Holder" a real work of Ru Kiln. Photos provided to China Daily A valuable porcelain cup holder that was auctioned off in Hong Kong recently has a certain amount of controversy surrounding its true origins, as Zhang Zixuan explains in this detailed report.
The bowl I now hold is probably just Korean rather than Chinese but it sure is fascinating that it was made at the same time and how they resemble each other. Not least for those of us who can't really afford real Song dynasty ru ware on the open market...
Might be time for a small update on this thread. I had decided to remain silent because the Japanese seller had listed new Korean goodies and didn't want to draw attention to them and give myself unnecessary competion. I still got outbid on the some of the best pieces though. But it seems that the celadon bowl actually might be a real Zhanggongxiang ru bowl. I found this link with close-up pictures of the dish at Christie's where you can clearly see the texture of the glaze in reflected light and this is exactly what the glaze of my bowl looks like with the texture and the bubbles size and their distribution. Furthermore the color also seems almost gray on some of the pictures as it does on my bowl in most lightning situations in my home. Only LED-light seems to bring out the bluish-green celadon color. This sure looks promising to me. https://kknews.cc/zh-my/culture/g54vrl.html?fbclid=IwAR2drwk_XuotqfN22WKUV-UhfESVqzuBwAcVKrNHPpmXsmM74H3vcuWzBZY It is stated in the lot notes from Christie's the that the identication of the dish is based on the examination of the form, body material, and glaze so I guess that such an examination would also be an opportunity for my bowl and that I could eventually bring to Christie's for a first hand inspection. Addetionally there is the possibility of having scientific analysis made of the body material and the glaze compostion which would also be usefull for the correct identification as it is noted by Christie's. There is a lab in Hong Kong that offers this service and seems to have experience in that area. http://www.rhauthentication.com/?page_id=16961&lang=en_US This is probably my most interesting find for a long time and the best thing is that it was purchased for a bargain...
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