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Good results for Korean ceramics from Japanese seller. Authentic or not?
There was also a Goryeo celadon ewer that sold for $5,300.00. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find similar axmples on museum or auction sites. https://www.ebay.com/itm/MAY063-KOREAN-GORYEO-CELADON-PORCELAIN-EWER-WATER-JUG-LEAF-LID-/372668113085?hash=item56c4c020bd%3Ag%3A5J8AAOSwKRVc1j-S&nma=true&si=oOOV8w1g2fafxuFHwgi6OYfm3Bw%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 And then there was this buncheong celadon bottle that sold for $1,000.oo. https://www.ebay.com/itm/MAY251-KOREAN-POTTERY-BOTTLE-DOUBLE-FISH-RELIEF-ENGRAVING-/352680706555?hash=item521d6881fb%3Ag%3ANbsAAOSwVaZc8brq&nma=true&si=oOOV8w1g2fafxuFHwgi6OYfm3Bw%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 I came across very similar examples on museum sites that I unfortunately can't relocate right now but it seems closely related to this example sold at Christie's for $3,132.000 against a $150,000 - 200,000 estimate. https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/a-buncheong-moon-flask-joseon-dynasty-15th-16th-6137473-details.aspx An additional link to Christie's at the Alain. R. Truong blog where you can see both sides of the bottle. http://www.alaintruong.com/archives/2018/04/08/36302920.html
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Ok Thanks Corey.
I asked because I recall you got a lovely |item from this seller a long time ago, I cannot recall what it was exactly but you were delighted with it. I agree it takes a long time to learn enough to be confident to buy items. Especially Korean and from so far away.
Ok good luck with this. I think Brigit recently got some South East Asian Thailand Kendi.
There was another similar bottle that sold for only $100 by the same seller. https://www.ebay.com/itm/JUN018-KOREAN-POTTERY-BOTTLE-DOUBLE-FISH-RELIEF-ENGRAVING-VASE-/352684019899?hash=item521d9b10bb%3Ag%3A0scAAOSwokxc9tGX&nma=true&si=bUuFE9P30Z21%252F1ycDZ%252BrBMxAoNs%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
It seems almost identical to a bottle housed at Leeum Art Museum that can be seen in this link. http://m.blog.daum.net/eyei2/15075269?tp_nil_a=2
The potential value of these flasks are pretty high I think. A bottle decorated with a single fat fish was included in a lot consisting of four porcelains and estimated at $300,000 - $400,000 at Sotheby's in 1996 (when the market of Korean ceramics peaked) according to this link. https://www.amazon.com/Private-Collection-Korean-Art/dp/B000H0KASK?fbclid=IwAR2owP7ksJ7ZArucIUOn0BzZE7yyRaCrpT_kax1QlvYHU8WuOK1pikK0Fj8
It seems nearly identical to a flask accuired by the National Museum of Korea in 2014 according to this link. http://www.korea.net/NewsFocus/Culture/view?articleId=122287&fbclid=IwAR1_9Yj9tsWECr73vHRZvFrmi2JYZjo-6vcjlNgVcpvvCXpnQPALVpodjU8
I just can't belive that these treasures not only sold for just bargains but are also being totally ignored by the members of this forum. And there were many more highly desireble pieces available by the same seller ...
And I even suspect that one of the Goryeo celadon items is actually Zhanggongxiang ru ware. That one has just arrived and is ready for pick-up. Oh boy!
Perhaps Korean is not an expertise for many Members and these are rather serious items requiring some real scrutiny. Also the Sale is auctioned from Japan which again raises many issues and makes an even finer point of authenticity and scrutiny. IMO
Yes, that may be the reason why. But now I have picked up the celadon bowl. It's this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/JUN243-KOREAN-GORYEO-CELADON-PORCELAIN-TEA-BOWL-CHAWAN-/372697508446?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=rBnOGEoE6Hsrw3m3NqTUes%252BRedY%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc You can see how the glaze compares with the Xhanggongxiang ru dish unsold at Christie's in 2016; the celadon color, the crackle of the glaze that is called 'crab claw crackle' by the Chinese, but also the black spots and the thinning of the glaze along the rim: http://www.alaintruong.com/archives/2016/05/29/33882204.html There is an excavated ru bowl in the same shape that can be seen in this link: http://www.gg-art.com/column/read.php?newsid=28658&fbclid=IwAR0_YAqpb5J63hqwlk_NW9_dpHZYROZd8adps3wS8H8J3Mav2k400m0axHU All the Goryeo celadon bowl I can find online have inlaid or incised decoration or they have spur marks at the base. The one I just picked up have an unglazed foot ring. Some of the ru pieces at British Museum have unglazed foot rings including the Alexander bowl that is also depicted in Christie's lot essay.
And in at least on case a cup holder thought to be Korean Goryeo dynasty celadon turned out to be Chinese Song dynasty ru ware: http://en.chinaculture.org/classics/2013-10/05/content_488582.htm?fbclid=IwAR20utWLXXLLInoP6z3h_fGY2lurFWDwL5VvFlEKyKpCNcyf7yPr_F5K4bU The bowl I now hold is probably just Korean rather than Chinese but it sure is fascinating that it was made at the same time and how they resemble each other. Not least for those of us who can't really afford real Song dynasty ru ware on the open market...
Might be time for a small update on this thread. I had decided to remain silent because the Japanese seller had listed new Korean goodies and didn't want to draw attention to them and give myself unnecessary competion. I still got outbid on the some of the best pieces though. But it seems that the celadon bowl actually might be a real Zhanggongxiang ru bowl. I found this link with close-up pictures of the dish at Christie's where you can clearly see the texture of the glaze in reflected light and this is exactly what the glaze of my bowl looks like with the texture and the bubbles size and their distribution. Furthermore the color also seems almost gray on some of the pictures as it does on my bowl in most lightning situations in my home. Only LED-light seems to bring out the bluish-green celadon color. This sure looks promising to me. https://kknews.cc/zh-my/culture/g54vrl.html?fbclid=IwAR2drwk_XuotqfN22WKUV-UhfESVqzuBwAcVKrNHPpmXsmM74H3vcuWzBZY It is stated in the lot notes from Christie's the that the identication of the dish is based on the examination of the form, body material, and glaze so I guess that such an examination would also be an opportunity for my bowl and that I could eventually bring to Christie's for a first hand inspection. Addetionally there is the possibility of having scientific analysis made of the body material and the glaze compostion which would also be usefull for the correct identification as it is noted by Christie's. There is a lab in Hong Kong that offers this service and seems to have experience in that area. http://www.rhauthentication.com/?page_id=16961&lang=en_US This is probably my most interesting find for a long time and the best thing is that it was purchased for a bargain...
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