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Good results for Korean ceramics from Japanese seller. Authentic or not?
I was hoping to snatch this vase for a bargain but it sold for more than $1000 even though age was stated to be'unknown' in the description.
I also got outbid on this one. I really like that one. It has similarities with a brushpot in British Museum.
Some of the other pieces also did really well. I particularly liked these two.
What do you think? Are they authentic or not? I know next to nothing about Korean ceramics but would really like to get started with them.
I can't help, I have no idea, but just wanted to say the ewer looks beautiful!
No age given for the bottle and not a single picture of the bottom, but someone paid over $1000 for it? Strange world. As I recently bought a Chinese copy of a Korean celadon vase I have looked at some old Korean items from reliable sellers on Trocadero and this bottle doesn’t convince me. Too perfect to be old. The same goes for the tea pot. But that’s just an impression, someone might know more about it.
Also this seller was accused of selling fakes by some buyers. And some of his items look a bit dubious to me. So maybe you better look somewhere else for Korean antiques.
All the listings I linked to have pictures of the bases in them. I spent some time comparing them with bases of pieces at British Museum's site. Especially the glaze and the base of the vase that sold for over $1000 looks very convincingly authentic to me.
I got outbid this morning on this very nice Vietnamese dish. It's fascinating that they were able to make these at the same time as the Chinese were making blue and white porcelain during the Yuan dynasty and how they copied the style. And it's interesting that the seller has dated it to the 19th century as it would correctly date to the 15th or the 16th century. Or am I missing something?
Hi Corey -
Whether this dish is 19th/ 20th or modern I lack the knowledge to say, but it is certainly not 15th/16th Century - the painting style - which is attempting to copy such - is complete wrong ...
Attached images of three 15th C examples for you to compare ...
Then I'm glad I didn't get it. But i have to say I don't think it's 19th/20th or newer since my research showed me that the painting style can vary a lot. Here are some more examples of Vietnamese blue and white dishes with fishes so you can see how different they all are from each other.
And if I had posted an example of a dish with an identical decoration in a museum then the one at eBay would inherently be a modern copy of that one, wouldn't it?
There was by the way another bowl decorated with a fish that I suspected was vietnamese rather than Korean. https://www.ebay.com/itm/MAY160-KOREAN-BLUE-amp-WHITE-PORCELAIN-BOWL-BUDDHA-TEI-BAT-amp-FISH-/372679043868?hash=item56c566eb1c%3Ag%3Aet8AAOSwZd5c7MgP&nma=true&si=wuN8KOOIhM2ONEgE88ksH9qsOD0%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 But now when researcing it I found Korean blue and white bowls from the Choson dynasty painted with very similar fishes like this one. https://www.koreanartandantiques.com/items/1397360/Porcelain-Fish-Bowl-from-Korean-Royal-Bunwon-Kiln And the decoration of the exterior is very similar to this bowl sold at Bonhams: https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25415/lot/389/?category=list&length=12&page=16&fbclid=IwAR31DZj4vy4PjxWhLOjwO5d86sjhCVsZMkM2AvIew0K7lbstTnIcshkzTJE
But since the overall quality of the bowl at eBay is higher but the price much lower it must inherently mean that eBay bowl is fake, right?
There was by the way a new listing from the same seller of an ewer similar to the one that sold for $2,425.00. I had planned to put a $500 on it but since the auction was ending very early in the morning I was still dizzy in my head and bid $300 with my smartphone by a mistake. I then got outbid by a sniper in the very last second, not leaving me an earthly chance to react.
There are a number of similar ewers in important collections worldwide. This one at The Museum of Oriental Ceramics, Osaka matches well with the proportions. http://jmapps.ne.jp/mocoor_e/det.html?data_id=1219 This one at the National Museum of Korea compares well with the base and the unglazed part of the lid. http://jmapps.ne.jp/mocoor_e/det.html?data_id=1219 And this one at Victoria and Albert Museum has a similar kind of discoloration to it. http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O15198/ewer-unknown/
Oups! I posted two wrong links by a mistake. Here is the correct link to the ewer that sold for just $305 at eBay. https://www.ebay.com/itm/JUN085-KOREAN-GORYEO-CELADON-PORCELAIN-EWER-WATER-JUG-/352689883893?hash=item521df48af5%3Ag%3APs4AAOSwCcJdAGpY&nma=true&si=gR4azydB75ajDFHbecMow2yXXiI%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 And here is the link to the ewer at the National Museum of Korea. https://www.museum.go.kr/site/eng/relic/search/view?relicId=1351
Are you affiliated with this seller in any Way?
No, not at all I can ensure you that. I have during the past four years bought six chinese items from him, three of which I have shown on this site, and only one of which, not shown here, have been proven to be a 'dummy' so far; a Song style jizhou paper-cut bowl described as Chinese but that turned out to be made by some named contemporary Japanese artist.
I have for a long time wanted to get started with Korean ceramics and thought the items listed by this seller looked really interesting and have during the past two weeks or so been busy with researching them like comparing glazes, bases, shapes etc. with Korean ceramics from museums and reputable auctions and to me it looks like this seller has sold of a tremendous collection of Korean ceramics for near give-away prices. There were however also some among them that might 19/20ct copies and possibly also a few modern. All the good stuff is gone now and it seems to me that there were some really desirable and potentially very valuable pieces among them. Unfortunately I didn't get any of them. I bought three Goryeo dynasty celadon pieces and after handling them and comparing with pictures of similar items online I hold them for almost certainly authentic. There are two more Gorey celadon pieces in transit that I got for bargains and that might turn out to be very interesting also in terms of value.
So now I sit here alone with my thoughts and would like to share with others where my research brought me. That's it. It is not ment as a form of promotion of this particular seller.
There was also a Goryeo celadon ever that sold for $5,300.00. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find similar axmples on museum or auction sites. https://www.ebay.com/itm/MAY063-KOREAN-GORYEO-CELADON-PORCELAIN-EWER-WATER-JUG-LEAF-LID-/372668113085?hash=item56c4c020bd%3Ag%3A5J8AAOSwKRVc1j-S&nma=true&si=oOOV8w1g2fafxuFHwgi6OYfm3Bw%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 And then there was this buncheong celadon bottle that sold for $1,000.oo. https://www.ebay.com/itm/MAY251-KOREAN-POTTERY-BOTTLE-DOUBLE-FISH-RELIEF-ENGRAVING-/352680706555?hash=item521d6881fb%3Ag%3ANbsAAOSwVaZc8brq&nma=true&si=oOOV8w1g2fafxuFHwgi6OYfm3Bw%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 I came across very similar examples on museum sites that I unfortunately can't relocate right now but it seems closely related to this example sold at Christie's for $3,132.000 against a $150,000 - 200,000 estimate. https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/a-buncheong-moon-flask-joseon-dynasty-15th-16th-6137473-details.aspx http://www.alaintruong.com/archives/2018/04/08/36302920.html
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