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Dear Forum members,
I am quite tired now of calling out the eBay seller ecliptic_art, but she's at it again with a vase that she is claiming to be mark and period of Yongzheng.
For a number of reasons, this vase falls short of being that, and consequently, the seller's claims are preposterous. Forum members who have been on this site for some time will already be aware of her dubious practice, but for the benefit of newcomers, I strongly advise that they go nowhere near the item whose link I include here, unless, that is, they are interested in it only for its decorative value:
Alan
Did you see the Sotheby‘s label at the bottom?
Birgit
Dear Birgit,
Yes indeed I did. This means absolutely nothing, only that it was possibly inspected by them (if, that is, the label was authentically applied to this item in the first place).
You will notice that the label is not a lot number as such, but a stock number. There's a world of difference. Unfortunately, the presence of the label will be another inducement to those who do not know any better to bid on this vase. Its value resides in its decorative merit, not in any authenticity as mark and period of Yongzheng.
Regards,
Alan
I have seen this vase on eBay. Easy to recognize.
www.wyssemaria-art.com
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What actually is the Vase, and the sticker actually implies it was sold are listed in an auction as LOT4047. Does it have any value.
Dear S-D,
It has about as much value as you wish to attribute to it. It is not Yongzheng mark and period at any rate.
Alan
Then she is committing a crime by placing the sticker on the vase.
Dear S-D,
Whether she placed the sticker on the vase herself, or whether someone else did, I do not know. Suffice it to say that, for whatever reason, she is maintaining something false about this vase, either knowingly, which would be culpable, or out of ignorance, which would be negligent. Whether it be culpability or negligence that is in play here, either way, she is likely to make an unjustified profit from it.
All I can do is to try to protect readers of this Forum against claims which I believe to be false, a belief which I know would be upheld by people with experience in handling comparable items of impeccable provenance.
Regards,
Alan
Dear S-D,
I might also have mentioned that if you search Sotheby's sold lot archive, you will not find this vase on it anywhere.
Alan
Dear S-D,
I might also have mentioned that if you search Sotheby's sold lot archive, you will not find this vase on it anywhere.
Alan
I agree Alan, and i was basing this on your appraisal because then it is not fit for Sotheby's so the sticker is a fake. I also searched sotheby;s and cannot find the vase in past lots.
Is it possible that it does have a value and is not a fake but is an Antique from say the late 18th or early 19th century??
I assume she is selling an Antique from say the Guangxu era as a vase from the yongzheng era. So theoretically it could have been sold at Sotheby's but it hasn't been sold at Sothbeys and is not yongzheng.
What is she entitled to list it as I wonder.
I think if it sold at Sotheby's in Chester it would have been a long time ago and not show up on the internet. I don't know if Sotheby's still has an office in Chester. Also , how often does Sotheby's have 4000 and more lots in a sale ?- something is very fishy .
The vase looks new/recent to me , her photos are bad but the vase is very dumpy, the footrim is modern, imo, and the mark is oddly written with uneven strokes and dark/light colours in the same character.
Amazing that it is up to £1340, and still one day to run
tam
Dear Alan:
Although there are no strict parameters I think for how a Yuhuchunping vase should look exactly, this vase does not conform in shape to the ones S-D found in Sotheby's past lots. I have one that is not Yongzengh but probably mid-nineteenth century that I got from a reputable dealer in the Netherlands and it shows I think the correct shape (see attachment). I think the shape of the supposedly Yongzengh vase is quite hideous and I don't like the color much either. It has a pregant look about it. If we add to that the impossibly pristine white rim (like that of the famille verte vase I asked about in another thread) and the even more pristine and snow-white foot, this vase has all the hallmarks of a very recently produced item. These things are a matter of taste but I would rate its aesthetic and decorative quality at close to zero. Thank you for keeping forum members informed of these situations.
Best regards,
Errol
Dear Errol,
The shape of your green-glazed yuhuchun is perfectly correct for the date that your dealer attributed to it. One of the (many) things against believing that ecliptic_art's yuhuchun is mark and period is its shape - the eighteenth century versions tend to have a much more slender and gracefully elongated neck than do the nineteenth century versions. The nineteenth century versions appear 'dumpier', as in the case of the vase on eBay that we're discussing. Of course, it's all a matter of personal taste as to which particular shape one may prefer; I'm thinking here of shape purely in terms of its possible function as a dating criterion, while also being aware that single criteria are often not in themselves absolute, but must be weighed along with others when arriving at an informed opinion.
Regards,
Alan
Dear Alan:
Yes that's a good point. The three lovely vases that S-D found in past Sotheby's lots support your point. However, I assume you are not suggesting that the vase on eBay is nineteenth century? As I mentioned, I really do not know the exact definition of yuhuchunping except that I recognize that configuration when i see it. The vase currently on eBay does not evoke that description in me at all. I think it is wrong for any period. It's saddening to know that people continue to cash in in this way. It gives the whole field of Chinese art a terrible reputation.
Kind regards,
Errol
Dear Errol,
No, indeed, I do not think the vase is even nineteenth century. I hope I did not suggest that to you? I believe it to be an entirely modern product, twentieth century at the earliest.
Alan
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