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first off, I want to say that I am not an expert therefore I might wrong on this one.
The enamels and painting look wrong for 1910. I'm seeing a wave a fake republican pieces with this style and credible looking bottom and foot. But the enamels, style and quality all look wrong in my opinion. Very boring colors and wrong style.
Here is a bonhams example for comparison. Please note the style and quality of the enamels. Both have shiny glaze.
I find the luting line in the first one uncomfortably distracting.
It is annoying that Bonhams don't offer more photos.
Julia
Dear Julia,
I found strange what you said. The luting line there is almost invisible.
Giovanni
Apart from the general style that Springmeier already mentioned: look at the eyes of the lady in enlargment on the Ebay site. These are clearly 21th century, not Republic.
Birgit
Here's a closeup, click to enlarge
Birgit
The line on the neck is not a luting line but a decorative feature . Any luting line would be near or below the shoulder
tam
Dear Julia, was you referring to the decorative element mentioned by Tam? If so, he is right, that is not a luting line and it is seen on many vases of this type. Especially on rouleau shaped vases.
Giovanni
Hi everyone. Thank you for participating to the discussion.
I'd like you to have a look at this piece that sold for $680 on ebay. Forgers are getting good at copying early 20th C. pieces. The paste, glaze and mark/bottom kinda look alright.
But it is another fake in my opinion, the style isn't quite right. It also looks like someone tried to copy the republican style without the feel of it and failed, almost like a decal. The faces look overdone, they are trying too hard! The enamels look a bit lifeless too and the shape is awkward.
Any tips how to spot these good looking new republican copies coming on the market?
A few Christies pieces for you to compare: again please look at the enamels, faces and the general "feel" of the pieces.
This seller has an awful collection of fakes with maybe one or two authentic items. I guess we talked about his pseudo Ming jar before. He mostly stays on the safe side and doesn't give any age, but people think because it's so expensive it has to be old. So they pay hilarious prices. For the 2100$ someone paid for the "Yongzheng" plate from the other thread he might have got an authentic one.
As to the pseudo Republican vase above, it looks contrived and the difference to the real examples you show is obvious. I think there's no easy way to spot these fakes, you have to see a lot of real Republic items to get the feeling for it. Sometimes the faces are obvious fakes like the lady I showed above, sometimes they look more credible like on this vase, but the overall feeling just isn't right.
Birgit
Yes, Tam and Giovanni, I was. As I would never have believed that was meant to be an attractive decorative feature on this vase - it seems so irrelevant, inelegant and therefore distracting - I assumed it was pretending to be structural! ?
I don't like it any the better for knowing it is intended to enhance, but at least I learnt that this feature appears on this shape - thank you!
Apart from the general style that Springmeier already mentioned: look at the eyes of the lady in enlargment on the Ebay site. These are clearly 21th century, not Republic.
Absolutely correct Shinigami. Thanks
Dear Springmeier,
I am not expert about these late porcelain ware, but in my opinion your approach is not correct.
I believe that both the first vase and this last one are not fake, they are simply later than Republic, I think post 1950, I don’t know exactly.
Republic ware, especially the fine ones like those sold by Christie’s, are another thing. We can’t compare them with these ones.
The supposed Yongzheng plate from this seller is a modern copy, no doubt. Good but modern.
Happy 2019 to everybody!
Giovanni
I understand your point Giovanni, perhaps "fake" wasn't the right word. In my opinion, the first and second post-1950 vases were modern objects made to deceive buyers into thinking they were republican. Good modern artists in china do not paint in this style anymore, the painter tried to copy an earlier style. From that came the absurdly high price it sold for. To call it a copy is probably more accurate.
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