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This topic concerns a plate listed on Catawiki and described as "republic period" by their experts. In my opinion, the porcelain body looks OK for guangxu or early republic but the decorations seem much newer. The colors are a bit weak, unskillfully painted with unbalanced proportions between the figures and the other the elements. The overall style and faces are also incorrect for the period.
Could this be an older porcelain plate that was decorated later?
It has a very strange $3500-4000 estimate, is it Catawiki who is coming up with an absurdly highly estimate or is it the seller?
Hi Springmeier,
A little difficult to tell be because the pictures from the site are not very good etc.
I think this plate predates the Republic period and therefore dates to the 19th century. I base this opinion on the style, rockery, foot and the colours used.
I also agree with you that the overall quality is weak and the estimated price is excessive in my opinion.
Mark
Though it’s sold by renowned Shangrila Antique, I think they made a mistake here. I agree with Springmeier. The give away are the people. The painter tried in vain to give them an antique look and has mixed different styles but can’t convince me. Just look at the mean looking faces with the small dotted eyes and the dabbed suntan. The lady with the fan looks wrong and the lady on the right has no expression at all. Usually the ladies were painted lovely and with care, so they are the clue to judging the age from faces. Obama period in my opinion. Shangrila Antiques are quite expensive, so it’s maybe them who suggested the high price.
Birgit
Dear Birgit, bingo! (do you say that in your Country?)
Thank you Giovanni, yes we say that too 🙂 I wonder how an experienced seller like Shangrila can make such a mistake. Maybe they weren’t sure of the plate themselves as there is no minimum price asked.
Birgit
So it's a copy of a 19th century plate.
Well done Birgit!
Mark
Hi Mark, I‘d rather say it’s an invention in Republic style. Let’s see how much it sells for.
Birgit
Sold for €700 plus BP.
Mark
Sold for €700 plus BP.
Mark
That's not true, Catawiki works with hidden reserve prices. So the €700 tells us not much. The bidder probably knew he would not have to pay it. So the only result that we are sure of: unsold.
Or how Catawiki formulate it: "As the reserve price was not met, it was not sold."
What I don't like about Catawiki is that when this is the case, the estimate and the bids are not visible anymore.
I should have clicked on the item before posting. I was unaware that it was passed in etc. 😁
Thank you for the correction etc. Don't really bother with this auction group as they do not ship to Australia.
Mark
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