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I bought this from a local gallery through online auction and am disappointed about the qualify of these plates. They feel very rough, the shape are not total round. I noticed some wax on the plate and the glaze peeled off at the rim of one plate. This is my first time buying antique chinese porcelain and I felt I made a mistake. Can someone familiar with the transitional period export porcelain or the Hatcher cargo collection make some commend? Are they fraudulent ? I attached some pictures here.
Thanks a lot.
I don’t know much about these types, but I think all those things you pointed out are simply signs of age. They look pretty good to me, but I am not an expert. Old plates are often not perfectly round.
take it with a grain of salt
Agree with Todd, what you complain about are signs of age rather than signs of fake. The items from the Hatcher cargo have been under water for centuries, therefore the glaze is gone and they feel rough. Kiln grit at the bottom is also a good sign. And the decoration looks good to me.
Thanks a lot for the information @shinigami. I noticed some residual clear wax drops on one plate, i used my finger to rub them off. It feels like someone dripped a candle wax onto it. It is a strange finding.
Hi amadeus lee - and welcome to this wonderful forum ...
Todd and Birgit have made some excellent remarks and given you some good advice ...
I have seen/handled many pieces from this cargo over the years. How much damage and degradation to the blue tone/glaze surface such wares suffer, as with all shipwreck cargoes, is very much dependent on how they were pack/where stored within the ship, there desperation when sunk and the length of time under water. Some pieces, like these Kraak dishes, show quite heavy degradation and edge losses yet other pieces recovered exhibit hardly any ware at all, the blue/glaze is still vibrant, bright and clear ....
Hi amadeus lee -
Just to illustrate the variations in blue/glaze tones from shipwreck pieces ...
Attached images of a very small box/cover, D 4cm, which I acquired in 2008. The blue is still deep/vibrant and the glaze very bright/clear. It exhibits virtually no degrading or wear to the glaze surface, despite been submerged for over 300 years...
It has the original Christie’s Amsterdam 14th June 1984 sale label to the base, and a label ‘Ming CP 138’ from the Gerald Davison Coll to the inside cover ...
Gerald Davidson is the noted author of ‘Marks On Chinese Porcelain’, a publication that is often referenced on this forum ...
thanks Stuart@ming1449. one of the plate also bears a label from Christie's Amsterdam 12-13 June 1984 sale. It looks different from yours though.
Hi amadeus lee -
Around 25,000 pieces were recovered from the wreak, sold in three separate sales at Christie's Amsterdam on 14th March, 12/13th June 1984 and 14th February 1985. Captain Hatcher then returned to the wreak in 1985 and salvaged another 2000 pieces, these were sold through a London dealer ...
I understand at least two different sized labels were used. Yours includes 'Amsterdam' and '12-13' dates for the June sale. On my label these are absent, probably due to the very small - 2.5 cm - base diameter ...
A slight correction - the box/cover is D 5 cm, not 4, as cited in my previous post ...
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