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Brush Pot, £10,000 to £15,000 !!? in UK Auction.
Hello to the Forum.
On my quest to learn about chinese porcelain, I have come across this Brush Pot at my local Auction.
The auction valuers were in disagreement on age and value, but have agreed on this estimate, £10,000 to £15,000 with a starting price of £6,000.
I will not be bidding on this item, but any thoughts by the members would be very interesting, on age, quality, value and painting style etc.
Happy New Year to you all
Good Hunting, Brian.
Interesting bitong you have posted. Although not my area of interest I believe the following observations may be of interest.
This bitong is my opinion a relatively modern dating to the 20th century. I do not like the overall look of it. The figures are in my observation a bit clumsy and not particularly well depicted.
Just my opinion. I may well be wrong so shall adhere to the more experienced members opinions in due course.
My first thought was also a modern Kangxi replica. It looks so stiff and although I have seen similar bases on genuine items, this looks odd - the central part too small and I don't think there is usually a foot rim as well.
I don't know, I don't have much experience but I wouldn't want to spend my money on this. Even if it is genuine, then no, this is not for me. It has a bad use of negative space; the decoration gives me nothing. It is somehow so bland.
"Thanks for your reply Mark"
I am no expert but I tend to agree with you. The figures seem a bit stiff /ridgid to me.
I have done a bit of research on this brush pot and found out it was for sale last year in their London Auction Saleroom, [October 14th 2019] Estimate £15,000 to £25,000! It sold for £58,000!!!! They describe it as, Qing Dynasty, Doucai.
I would guess the buyer had second thoughts and hasn't paid, hence the re-auction in their Derby Saleroom.
All the best to you Mark.
"Hello Shinigami," Nice to hear from you.
I think you are also right in your comments. When I saw the estimate on the Saleroom.com. I questioned the price at the Auction House asking if it was a misprint!! the attendant confirmed it was right. So I decided to put it to the forum. But when I found out later it had sold for £58,000!!!! [October 14th 2019] at their London Auction room, and back in the sale this week, on reading the forums replies this evening it all made sense. Many thanks.
Best regards Brian.
Hello and thank you Giovanni for your reply.
You are right about really good copies, I go to a lot of Auctions in the UK and are finding more often, lots of good copies being put up for auction from venders who import Chinese Porcelain,also Bronzes, Jade & Paintings etc. They never mention copy or reproduction in the catalogues hoping for a sleeper that will get a novice or even a well seasoned dealer to part with more cash than its worth. But as they say in the Auction World "Buyer Beware". Does this happen in your country?
Of course it happens dear Brian. Italy has been a good mine but for a very short time, because the quantity available was very small comparing to those of England and Holland.
But now thew mine is exausted, looking at the catalogs of our auction houses it is not that different than looking at ebay, except for the fact that they are still asking outrageous prices.
What I meant about those Kangxi fake brushpots is that there are copies around which are much better than the one that you have shown.
They are making now incredibly good copies. They made everything perfect, including the base and paste. Luckily, up to now they fail in one detail, outside or indside the brushpot. For some strange reason, although being in conditions to reproduce every detail perfectly, they are not making the complete piece perfectly. At least this is what up to now I have seen.
"Hello Julia" Thanks for your reply.
I think you would be doing the right thing not spending your money on this Brush Pot, [not that you were going to] but your gut feeling was spot on. It just shows you that these copies/fakes etc can slip through the net every now and then. I have seen several Dubious Chinese vases go through the Auctions in the UK over the past few years.
Keep up the good work Brian.
Hi Brian -
Not really my area either, but I would concur with comments already posted, the painting lacks that typical style seen on authentic Kangxi piece - this piece is rather modern, IMO ...
For comparison :- attached images of three
early to mid Kangxi period examples for, two from a private collection, the one with scene of scholars admiring a painting from the Shanghai Museum ...
"Cheers Stuart," Thanks for your reply with the images.
There's no comparison in style and use of space as these 3 original Brush Pots have, compared to the pot I posted.
I looked on Saleroom.com Monday evening and the current bid said £11,000!?, that's what I call an expensive modern copy.
I was wondering what would be the value/price on each of the examples you sent?
Hi Brian -
Prices/values are very much depend on subject matter, condition and provenance - if any - all of which will effect such
Giovanni is quite correct, the fakers are producing some incredible good copies now - some of which I have seen pass through the major auction rooms - but always the ‘whole’, either to the interior, exterior or base, falls down in some aspect ...
However genuine/authentic examples can easily reach many tens of thousands, and exceptional examples - those that may have been exhibited and/or published - could fetch six figures ...
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