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Topic starter 22/06/2021 6:36 pm  

 

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 These are water droppers, scholar’s objects for calligraphy. Which do you prefer? Do you think they are similar in quality, origin, etc.?    Thanks, Todd

 

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22/06/2021 6:43 pm  

I like the bunny, as someone on the forum said, "the hare is rare." It also looks older, but that does not mean it is older, that's my guess. Sharon


   
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22/06/2021 11:44 pm  

Hello,Todd

Both are nice I agree with Sharon the rabbit is older and nice piece.

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23/06/2021 1:18 am  

Similar looking green ones in bat shape can be found now and then. I have one and have been told by an expert that it’s Ming. Haven’t seen one with a rabbit yet, but the glaze and traces of age look similar to mine. But the white one also seems to have some age. I personally would prefer the rabbit or buy both. There’s always room on the shelf for these small things. 

Birgit


   
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23/06/2021 1:39 am  

Rabbit for me, too!


   
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Topic starter 23/06/2021 7:38 am  

Thanks everyone!

The blue and white flower sold at Christie’s for $7800. It is Korean and 19th century. Something so small and not terribly old....I didn’t know it could fetch that price. It must be a rarity. Or maybe the provenance helped, possibly from the Robert Moore collection? I don’t know who he is/was. 

https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-a-flower-form-porcelain-water-dropper-choson-period-4680559/?from=searchresults&intObjectID=4680559

The rabbit is a purchase from Ebay. A bit of a bidding war, but still under $100. Will have it in my hands in a few weeks. I haven’t found the bat examples you mentioned Birgit. If you have a picture handy, post please 😀 . This blue and white flower water dropper is the closest thing I have been able to find, but its really only vaguely similar. 

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23/06/2021 8:44 am  

Crazy price for 19th century Korean. Here’s my bat, bought at auction for EUR 164 which is a normal price for these. So you can be lucky with your rabbit, it’s also rarer than the bats  

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Topic starter 23/06/2021 8:45 am  

Ahh, wow. I like that bat, very cool! Thanks, Birgit

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23/06/2021 10:29 am  

@watership 

I would never have guessed Korean nor the price achieved, but I very much like that flower form. 

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Topic starter 23/06/2021 10:31 am  

I wonder if Christies was being conservative with their 19th century attribution, and if some bidders decided it was much, much older...

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23/06/2021 11:19 am  

What is the speckled varmint supposed to be, a snake with the dropper hole for an eye or is it part of the flower? Congrats on the bunny.


   
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23/06/2021 2:02 pm  

Hey Todd,

I like the carving on the example you acquired! 
Under $100 sounds like a steal, I think.. nice! 

Per the Christie’s example (and further context/info)..

Robert Moore has (for several decades) been celebrated as a top collector and mind of Asian Art; with his Korean ceramics in particular  having had several publications and sales devoted to them. 

In the event of the auction performance: I would say it was the combination of having revered provenance, being an exceptionally rare example, and a receptive market.

(The highest prices for Joseon blue and white ceramics have most often been those from the 19th century!) 

Hope that added some insight/assistance; and congrats once more on your very pretty acquisition! 

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23/06/2021 2:09 pm  

Also.. 
I had written down some notes on your tokkuri from the other week!

Apologies I couldn’t find the original post when looking today (so I’m sorry for “double posting” but wanted to remember to get back to you on that).

19th century seemed like a fair range you gave; and Bizen did as well.
In regards to the later, though: I do find the bases of many 19th century Bizen examples tend to often be flat near completely (but of course, always exceptions to be had).

I would say try looking at Tamba/Seto-wares for more similar foot-rims within that time period.. however, as said above: exceptions are abound! 

If I can find the post later, I’ll post some museum/archive links for you with similar examples.

Hope all is well!
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Topic starter 23/06/2021 4:00 pm  

Hi JRN,

Thanks for the information on Robert Moore. Provenance can definitely go a long way, along with the other factors you mentioned.

 I agree with you on the tokkuri. I went from Bizen to Karatsu, then settled on Seto, although I can’t say its definitive. The base and something about the color also did not seem right for bizen. Would love to see those links when you have the time. Thanks for your help, as always. 

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@watership

Hi Todd -

I no nothing about such but would concur with others post - a nice example and, for the price obtained, something of a steal ...!!

My congratulations on acquiring ...

Stuart 


   
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