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 Hi Ang P -Â
Two very nice examples posted by @chris71 ...Â
Attach image/description of a prunus or ‘Hawthorn’ jar, Lot 25, ex Anthony de Boulay collection, sold Bonhams London 10 November 2003 ...Â
Also, just to show how good these late 17th/early 18thC wares decorated with this design can be, image of a large vase, H. 43.5 cm, painted in enamels on biscuit in ‘famille noire’ Kangxi period, Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York ...Â
StuartÂ
@ming1449 interesting first blue jar. it looks like it doesn't have an ice crackle pattern?
@nyccat. No. You can find Kangxi jars with those lines or without them. And you also find later jars with double lines or without.  I personally have two prunus jars from the Kangxi Period, one has double lines the other has not. And on my late 19th century jar there is  a four character apocryphal mark but no lines.Â
If there are double lines it's very important to check them very carefully, because there are differences. On newer pieces you often don't see a starting or end point of the brush. On Kangxi Period jars usually you see some irregularities or imperfections.
But it's not only the double lines. You have to check the whole piece and compare the painting style, the blue color , the surface, etc.Â
Chris
@chris71Â thanks. at first I was very optimistic about this jar. Because there is that dark lined ice crackle.Â
But I don't know now. I feel that the foot seems very orange. Too orange? also the mouth has a big portion of unglazed part. Which I'm also not sure... what to make of it.Â
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/100577108_chinese-porcelain-covered-prunus-jar
Hi Ang,
In my opinion it's not Kangxi period. It's difficult to determine by way of the pictures. Too many labels for my liking.
Could be either early 20th century or much later.
It has a lot of watcher's btw.
Just my thoughts.
MarkÂ
@imperialfinegems yeah, that also got me a little concerned. when Chris mentioned that double rings on later pieces don't show a start and finish, I went to take a closer look. and then... I was like "how convenient that the sticker is right on that." Â
well, the bid is not mine. LOL but I am one of the watchers 🙂Â
Exactly Ang!
Its a good one for studying purposes etc. Comparing period with later copies.Â
Personally I would not buy this one. Too many variables to the negative without further pictures or information.
Wait for a genuine one.
MarkÂ
I absolutely agree with Mark. If you look at the crackle, it crosses the lines of the broad brush strokes in such a way that it looks like an after thought rather than part of the design.
You do see the orange staining on some late 19th c pieces, but it is so regular on this that it looks painted on.
As Mark said, you will find something nicer, probably for less money, too. You don't want to be having doubts or regrets every time you look at something, it would spoil the pleasure of having it.
thanks for everyone's help! yeah, after gathering these info, I decided to not participate. but auction ended. and someone bought it for $650 without the premiums. quite an expensive item.Â
the search continues for me🙂Â
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