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@Greeno107 and @shinigami
Hi all members/other,
I picked up the vase today from leonard joel auctions. It's beautiful I must write.
I have had a really good look at it. I believe it's at least guangxu period. If not earlier.
The mark is raised and glazed. It's worn/other lightly in places. Sorry about the quality though of the pictures. I have really bad lighting here.
What do you guys think?
Mark
Hello Mark,
Like your vase. Will not enter the debate as far as dating is concerned leave that to those more schooled in that area. It is painted with a certain ethereal, will-o'-the-wisp atmosphere in keeping with is ghostly subject matter. Congratulations !
Michael.
I love the swirling red and the birds. I will not attempt a date either, but I think the mouth is quite distinctive and maybe something can be gleaned from the hat he is wearing? I take it the black dots are impurities in the clay?
I will say that I am not sure about it being Guangxu, the faces are very similar but I am not sure similar is enough, also I am uncertain of the base, but if that is all fine, I will be pleased to have learnt something.
This vase is masterfully painted. It's difficult to fit the devils into some face category. Because of the orange outlines and wrinkles and the way the clothes are painted I would guess around 1880. Also the body of the vase seems of too high quality to be much earlier than Guangxu.
Birgit
Mark, may I ask why you feel it isn't republic? I know little about republic vases and would be interested to understand what you feel is missing - or there, that shouldn't be. If that makes sense and it is just out of personal interest.
Hi Julia,
Basically the way the characters are depicted. Not really in the Republican manner. More so with guangxu period. Perhaps as already explained by greeno107 back as far as early to mid 19th century.
The only artist from the Republic period that was famous for these types of fantasy wares was Wang Qi. Even he sort of borrowed very loosely from earlier periods. But he put his own interpretation and style into these works. He was known for his half naked woman riding the backs of demons.
I think LJ just assumed it was republic period without much research. And why would they for so little return.
The vase does have the original sticker from the 50's from a store here in Melbourne named the 'connoisseurs store'. Obviously long gone. Apparently they used to import high end works from China made during the Republican period. Along with other works.
The vendor did also have a few other vases. All purchased from the same store during the 50's through to the 70's.
Mark
Thanks, Mark, that is very interesting. I agree the faces are very similar to Guangxu, especially the grumpy old man type but seem to have a lighter touch, as though they had either not become so much of a caricature of themselves yet, or had moved on from it. Or maybe it is simply a higher quality piece from that period. The base certainly looks finer than many from that period.
Mark,
What a lovely piece. Why does it look so familiar to me? Did Peter feature it in a video?
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
@imperialfinegems Very cool! I think the clue to its age are seen in the iron spots in the porcelain, which is more typical for Qing than Republic.
The blue enamel mark is unusual, and I would normally assume Republic, as I think many of us would. But, we know blue enamel four character seal marks date back to the Yongzheng, so the blue enamel mark does not exclude the vase from being an earlier period than Republic.
I once had an pair of cylinder vases decorated in qianjiang style depicting tigers, fantastic rendering and early creation... perhaps 1880's,and interestingly enough they had Qianlong marks on them. So, wih Qianlong marks, it's very hard to use them as a manner of dating because the mark was recreated throughout the Qing and later.
One more thing...
When you posted about the auction, I referenced a Daoguang snuff bottle sold by Christie's that had a Zhong Kui and demon design similar in style to your vase.
Here's a screenshot close up of the neck of the snuff bottle - can you see the small iron spots?
This is a snuff bottle, much smaller than your vase, yet the inclusion of iron was essentially unavoidable due to what was available for clay at the time.
Yes thank you. I can clearly see the iron spots in both. 🙏
Here is a example of Wang Qi demon plaques. This particular one is well-known. But it's a attribute that was very well done.
Mark
@imperialfinegems Thanks for including the photo of the lovely red headed cranes, congratulations on your acquisition. Best, Sharon
Hi Mark -
A beautifully painted, high quality piece ...
As with Michael@brettm, I defer to more experience members in regard to attributed dating ...
The shape/proportions are also aesthetically very attractive ...
My congratulations on acquiring ...
Stuart
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