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JRN
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Topic starter 26/03/2020 1:33 am  

Greetings all! 

New member, so it's nice to finally stop sleuthing around here and actually start posting and engaging!
I recently stumbled upon this lovely community shortly after discovering Mr. Combs' awesome and informative videos on Youtube. 
At first I was somewhat intimidated due to my very (and I mean very) surface level knowledge and the past experiences I had on similar forums.
Personally, it is so refreshing and encouraging for me to see a place with passionate and dedicated members - but also seemingly so willing to help educate and teach beginners like me. Thank you all for being involved with this, as I feel it is crucially underrated and provides an amazing service to both professional and hobbyist collectors/dealers/curators and more. 

Speaking of underrated: this is the lovely Imari charger (17") I won for $40 at an online estate sale. Guess nobody wanted it? 
When it first arrived, I knew suddenly I was about to become hooked on something new and exciting - but I had no clue I'd have a "this is it" moment when I held the piece for the first time upon it arriving. 
Life has been moving so fast since I've started growing and trading with my humble collection that I haven't even had time to research more about the mark on the bottom, or even try to date it by period.
Any info would be greatly appreciated, however I also just wanted to post it as it is quite a lovely piece (I wish I could find more like it!) and I'm sure a fair number of members here enjoy seeing massive chargers (Chinese or Japanese regardless).

Thanks for taking the time to read, and in advance thanks for your patience as I still try to learn daily. It's been a process, but honestly one of the most enjoyable ones in years - and most importantly a new passion I hope follows me for the rest of my days.
Looking forward to talking with all of you and getting more involved here!

Attached are some photos of this absolute beauty: intricate, crazed like crazy, and massive. 

Cheers, 
-JRN

 


   
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Shinigami
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26/03/2020 2:16 am  

Hi JRN,

sorry I can’t help with your charger, but I’d like to welcome you to the forum. We seem to have some technical problems at the moments so don’t worry about missing answers. I had to log in several times to be even able to post. 

Birgit


   
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Adams Asian Art
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26/03/2020 2:26 am  

Hi JRN, 

Firstly a warm welcome to this great forum. 

Your charger is very impressive. Large and bold. I believe this charger to date to the Showa period (1926-1989).

If your charger dated to the Meiji period (1868-1912) one would definitely expect to see some spur marks of at least three on the reverse. During the early 20th century during the late or after the Meiji era artists were able to produce chargers without the need or presence of spur marks.

I think also that when you bought it other potential buyers were of the inkling that it was perhaps a chinese copy etc. In my opinion it is definitely Japanese by way of the enamels and outline of the design. 

Sorry, I am unable to decipher the chop mark. Perhaps gfhandle aka George/or others can help.

Mark 


   
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26/03/2020 2:42 am  

@shinigami,

Hi Birgit and other members. I have also experienced some difficulties today and have notified Peter. Hopefully things will return to normal soon. 

Mark 


   
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JRN
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Topic starter 26/03/2020 3:37 am  

@shinigami, thank you for the welcome and thank you for the tip! 


   
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JRN
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Topic starter 26/03/2020 3:47 am  

@imperialfinegems
Mark, thank you very much for the welcome! 
That is such a helpful bit of information to keep in mind - very much appreciated.
The Meiji pieces I have been fortunate enough to come across so far have varying amounts of them, or so it seems.
Awesome to know about it after reading a little more in depth.

Also that is quite a good point about the buyers.. Glad to have came away with it, started a dormant Imari obsession for sure! 

Regards, 
-JRN


   
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26/03/2020 10:57 am  

Hi JRN - and as with Mark, welcome to this wonderful forum ...

Not really my area, so I'll defer to Mark and the Japanese specialists here ...

Stuart


   
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Topic starter 26/03/2020 7:03 pm  

@Ming1449 Thank you Stuart! 
Appreciate all of the help; I am sure it will be a personal research mission of my own tonight (likely after some more impulse Imari purchases as the weekend listings gear up haha).

Mark suggesting it as a Showa period piece definitely made sense and gave me a good foundation to start looking, as the relative smoothness of the piece (despite the heavily crazed appearance) is very similar to my mid-century Kutani tea set and plates with a very similar texture (funnily enough they were my first Japanese ceramics I ever received, given to me by my grandmother at the time).

Once again I appreciate all of the warm welcomes, and the additional knowledge I've received - it certainly will be of great help. 
Thank you all! 
Regards,
-JRN 


   
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26/03/2020 8:28 pm  

@jrn

Welcome to the forum. The colors, style, and workmanship indicate a Showa post WWII charger to me.  The mark indicates the maker "I see the last character "Made By" lower left, but cannot make out the name.  Given the size, this will certainly make for a nice display piece.  I will also suggest by scouring eBay with an Imari search you should be able to amass a collection of late 19th early 20th century Imari pieces at reasonable prices as the Japanese market is undervalued currently.  

Enjoy collecting and best regards,

George

 


   
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Topic starter 27/03/2020 2:12 pm  

@gfhandel 
George thank you so much for helping me decipher the mark and adding additional context. 
I certainly agree it makes for a beautiful display piece! 
The Japanese market is extremely undervalued from what I've noticed in my limited experience, and while it is a shame that the pieces don't often get recognition for the quality of craftsmanship, it's been helpful for growing my own Imari collection currently. 

The piece in my profile pic (or avatar) was won a few days ago on eBay for under $35 - the auction ended at a weird hour is my guess, but no complaints from me.

Thank you for the welcome and I kindly appreciate the insight/assistance
Regards,
-JRN  


   
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