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Do you collect Rose Mandarin?
I know Ming items are known for their goofy dragons; these are exceptionally cuddly. Didn't know they made them that way during the Qing. Your plate has that fun and festive quality I love from this pattern.
My interest is not strictly the precursor to that specific pattern per-se, more the enameling in canton, kind of pre- standard pattern. I posted this one a while back, I truly love it, and it ticks all the boxes for me, less common shape, crazy glazes and combination of colors, staple repair, and a bunch of cute creatures. I really only look for things I'm going to struggle to find a comp for, not that I dislike standard patterns, but I really like when they are odd. I want people to look at my collection and the first words out of their mouth is "what the hell is that?"
In the background of these pics you can see a few pieces, European shape ewer and sauce boat I posted before, common patterns, but uncommon shapes. I'll be posting the ewer over the weekend, just haven't had a chance to wash the dirt off yet. haha.
Hi Jeremy, you expressed it so well, that's exactly what I'm looking for too. Unusual decoration but the age clearly recognizable (as pure fancy pieces are mostly modern.) Or common decoration in an unusual form. Or a little detail that makes a common piece unique like the dragon border on the plate shown above where we expect the usual bird and flower border.
Yes, that is a remarkable plate. I really like the fierce qilin. Good find!
@steve It has a handle called London style on Victorian English ware with the littke hook at the top of tea cup handle, Chinese must have been copying English ware tea cups. It is lovely.
@sharonp Yes, good point. Just the fact that they included a handle shows awareness of Western tastes. It looks like a handle that gets broken easily; I'll have to be very careful with it.
"Don't words get broken just like china cups?" - Eurythmics
"Sweet Dreams Are Made of," herbal tea. I only have an eighties hexagonal garden seat in Rose Mandarin with the horrible sun burned transfer printed faces, which I bought at a supermarket in Jakarta.
I have a Rose Medallion floor vase with heavy enamel decoration covered in good luck symbols that I had Peter evaluate, it is Mid-Republic and as I remember, he said that the peach color on it was later than the earlier similar pieces that had a more true orange color. I used to see the various rose patterns often at flea markets and estate sales, not so much now. Of course, my town has not had the traditional big Antique Fair since the Pandemic. That is where I bought the floor vase and the dealer sought me out at the end of the day with a great price, as another dealer had done with a Satsuma plate as well the previous year. It was also at one fair that the Houston ceramics expert who appears frequently on Antiques Roadshow looked at a piece for me, small bowl and said it was made for the domestic market in China and George told me it has a cyclical date of 1915, not worth much, maybe a 100.00 according to the fellow from Antiques Roadshow, but that was quite a few years ago now. Maybe it will appreciate to 101.00 before I shuffle off. They are asking people to wear masks again for doctor's appointments, which is pretty much my social life, so I don't mind. I received a good report from my cardiologist after doing all those once a week tests (aced my stress test) throughout August. Plus, I only venture out to explore shops on my way home from the appointments.
Well, I looked up the identification from Peter, mine is actually Famille Rose Canton, not Rose Medallion. It is 18.5"H
Age:1920 to 1930
Value: $250 to $350.
"judging by its colors, drawing and base indicate it was likely made during the Republic period circa 1920 to 1930. The very flat smooth foot and use of a soft peach or skin toned ground colors is something that first came into use during the period suggested above. It was a softer tone of the stronger near orange color used earlier."
I was attracted to the ears of corn, birds and basket. Sharon
Here is part of my Rose Mandarin collection, including one piece of Rose Canton:
I apologize for the lack of clarity on some of the photos. I'm not used to downloading photos here, or anywhere else for that matter! There are also a couple of doubles here and I think it's too late to delete them!
PS: i forgot to subscribe to this topic, but if anyone has any opinions or thoughts about this collection, i'd love to know! thanks so much!
That's an amazing array! Interesting that some have an Amari-like border.
I suppose these court scenes came out of prototypes for the domestic market back in Ming era (or earlier?) depicting scenes from the "Romance of the Western Chamber". I guess they lost their narrative aspect by the 18th c. or early 19th c.
@steve oh that's so interesting! i hadn't thought much about the origins of the scenes, but that makes a lot of sense. When i first began collecting Asian Art about 4 years ago, i became utterly entranced by Rose Mandarin right away. i have since broadened my horizons, but i am still so drawn to earlier RM, and some later pieces, like Sharon's vase above. I love your teacup and saucer by the way, and i think i meant to bid on them. Were they on eBay or LiveAuctioneers? I'm quite sure i saw them and forgot to leave a bid!
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