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Topic starter 07/08/2021 5:00 pm  

 As I was digging up pieces for my upcoming sale, I came across a jar I bought at least 8 years ago when I was cutting my teeth in the Chinese antiques business.

The famille rose jar with Yongzheng mark was in the same condition as shown - broken, but 99% complete.

At the time, I bought the jar thinking it was 19th c. and a good study piece, but mostly I loved the tree and rock depicted in such extraordinary detail. 

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For all these past years I’ve never given it much thought and it was just sitting on a shelf in my building gathering dust until today.  I decided to dust it off and share with all of you some photos.

Looking at it today, I am quite confident that it is Yongzheng mark and period, but admittedly I have never heard of a Yongzheng covered jar that has a mark.

Anyway, enjoy! Tim

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p.s.  Before you ask….sorry, no it’s not going to be in my little sale.

 

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07/08/2021 9:24 pm  

Could we have a closer look at the images faces along with the inside of the lid and body.

I suspect that his is much later but the images are poor.

Mark 


   
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08/08/2021 2:19 am  

I agree, but I can't enlarge without blurring the image. Shots of the inside of lid and body would be good.  


   
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08/08/2021 2:20 am  

Not m&p, as Mark said. If you show closeups please include the lady if there is one. The ladies faces are easiest to judge. 

Birgit


   
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08/08/2021 7:10 am  

@green107 

Hi Greeno - 

Would need to see much better/clearer images but concur with Mark, Julia and Birgit, not Yongzheng period and could well be much later ... 

For comparison re: YZ period figural painting style, enamel tones, shading and application of:- 

Attached images/descriptions of a  vase/dish exhibited in London in 2016 and another vase, badly damaged, sold Lot 95, Bonhams, London, 6 November 2014 ... 

Apologies for the image quality/lighting, it’s a very dull/wet day ... 

Stuart 

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Topic starter 08/08/2021 9:13 am  

I’ll try taking a few more shots in a bit.

I agree the detail is not like Yongzheng period (no mark), but it does seem to fall in line with falalngcai enamel wares that are mark and period.

But, the use of a covered jar form for mark and period falancai…. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that. Jars are a bit too utilitarian.

So, I’m just fine if the consensus is that the jar could be later.

What made me reconsider the age is that the paste, theme, colors, mark, and jar shape all fall in line with Yongzheng.

The tree and rock are rendered in a completely unique manner.

Perhaps my earlier eyes were sharper than my current… time to get new glasses.

More photos on there way…


   
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Topic starter 08/08/2021 9:27 am  

Any better? I find that I when viewing photos on the forum, that I have to download them before I can view their full resolution… maybe that’s just me.

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Topic starter 08/08/2021 9:32 am  

Oh… one last thing…halo effect that is found in early to mid Qing wares.

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08/08/2021 10:23 am  

Those are quite distinctive "sunburned" faces but they don't look early/mid Qing to me. Is that orange peel on the base or a trick of the light?


   
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08/08/2021 11:27 am  

It’s nicely done by a practiced hand. Late Qing in my opinion. 

Birgit


   
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08/08/2021 2:18 pm  

Yes, it is very nicely decorated, I was thinking late qing, maybe early Republic.  I can see why you are keeping this one, Tim.


   
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09/08/2021 2:44 am  

Yes, very well painted, late Qing/Republic to me.

Giovanni

 


   
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