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Hi guys, I came across some items with great provenance at a local auction house. I am trying to get my head around how they ended up there
I am talking about verifiable information - sold at Christie's and Sotheby's, item no.xx of a published collection from a well-known collector, etc.
Any idea?
It happens.
Could be for various reasons. One is that the fees were higher with one the major auction houses and they convinced the vendors to sell with them rather than go with the majors etc.
It could be a great opportunity.
Mark
Warring spouses, warring heirs, perhaps warring estate attorneys wishing to settle an estate? 🤔
Interesting. I will cautiously have a look. Thank you!
It would be interesting to know what type of pieces these are. Certain items used to be more in demand than they are now so that is one possible explanation, because perhaps they are objects that used to be more in demand but now a major might not be interested. For example I have a lot of old Sotheby's and Christie's catalogs from the 1980's. In those catalogs are large amounts of snuff bottles - they are nice quality but most wouldn't be high enough value now for a major. Also back then they offered tons of Han and Tang objects for sale, and many of those objects now wouldn't make the cut for a major sale.
Another reason could be the seller inherited things and is just ignorant about what they have and the best avenue to sell, so they just walk into their nearest auction house and ask if they are interested in selling these things for them.
The third explanation I can think of is that they are all fakes with bs provenance stories, etc.
If you can share any pictures or links an assessment could be made as to which of the above might be more or less likely. John
@johnshoe That is so interesting about past Christie's catalogs...I have often wondered why certain Chinese antiquities do not command high prices? Just this past week, I was able to buy two Song Moulded Qingbai Porcelain Vases, for a total of about $475.I should think these would have been more expensive, because they are authentic, and to me quite beautiful:
@charlotte I have observed that good pre-Ming ceramics can sometimes fall through the cracks at the regional/smaller auction houses. Fewer people know them well enough to bid online with confidence and if the auctioneer doesn't specialize in Asian things then sometimes collectors just pass or keep bids low. It can create some nice buying opportunities. Congrats on your vases. They're cute.
@charlotte Congratulations, it is great fun to hold history and celadon is so soothing. Sharon
@charlotte A few newbie questions - how did you tell that these are authentic pieces? From my inexperienced eyes, they look a bit suspicious considering that the footrim looks a bit too clean with a uniform color
@terrancekim324 Oh, good question Jay! I bought these through a dealer in the UK named Matthew Page, the son of Brian Page, who was a very well respected dealer in Chinese antiquities. Matthew had worked with his recently deceased father for a few decades, and also became an excellent and trustworthy dealer. Peter Combs has mentioned him several times over the years, always in a good way. He is affiliated with Trocadero.com, which I believe was founded by the well known collector and very scholarly Alain Truong. I'm sure somebody else here knows more about Alain Truong and Trocadero.com than I do. They quite simply don't sell fakes. I have bought quite a few Chinese antiquities from him over the years, all authentic. I trust him 100% and so do others around this site, as far as I've seen over my few years here. AND his prices and shipping costs are extremely fair! I trust him like I do Peter Combs. I hope this helps!
@charlotte I see! Peace of mind when you work with credible dealers. Thank you for the insight Charlotte
@terrancekim324 The other thing is, once you handle one of these vases ( I have one already, from Matthew Page), you know they are genuine and very old. With this type of Qingbai ware, you can feel the fine crackle, and usually around the waist there is some mild flaking.... Nothing though, that detracts from the beautiful color of the glaze or the integrity of the vase.
Best,
Charlotte
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