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Hi All,
I have a few pieces of porcelain that appear to have been trimmed where the glaze meets footrim after firing. There is a clear edge where glaze has been filed down. Is this finishing process an automatic red flag for a fake? Do you know when this technique was introduced to the finishing process? I just assumed it was an indicator of being a modern piece, but I was at an estate sale this weekend and they had 5 pieces of peach bloom porcelain that all had this same characteristic. The seller said they were mid to late Qing. Almost all examples I've seen in Peter's videos have a clean/untouched separation between glaze and foot, so I passed. Any info on this aspect would be much appreciated.
Best,
Brian
Brian,
I know many other types of ceramics are filed in spots so that the object will sit flat, and they can still be antique. Although its usually just in areas where the glaze ran too far down under the foot-rim....not all the way around the rim. But for these peach blooms, filed all the way around the rim, I have no idea. I am interested in the answer also.
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
I am a fan of the Jingdezhen porcelain factory I can recognize the way they trim and ground their foot. In my opinion they make some of the most beautiful monochromes ruby bright red vases.
@lotusblack For far back would they trim and grind the foot in this fashion? I too love red monochrome vases, probably my favorite of all type. It was tough to walk away from the ones this weekend but my knowledge is still very limited and I wanted to avoid a big mistake.
@happyholiday The filing of the glaze became common in the 19th century due to issues with controlling the glaze so it would run over and they would have to clean it up. It occasionally is found on 18th c pieces but much more frequently 19th to 20th c. The whole piece would need to be seen though to properly date. If you took pictures of those peachbloom pieces we would all love to see them. John
@johnshoe Thank you for the information. I don't have photos of the one's I passed on, but here's some photos of my 7" vase. I would've loved to gotten a closeup image of the nuance in the glaze, but I have no idea how to photograph this without the reflection 🙂 For my education can you give me your opinion on a value range for this vase?
Thank you,
Brian
@happyholiday It looks fairly modern, so the value is probably mostly decorative. My guess would be $50-100 range. But let's see if others agree.
This Jingdezhen porcelain factory vase sells for $280 it’s still produced today. But they are lovely.
Lang Yao glaze is from the 18th century and is a vivid red color that typically shows clear at the top of a vase exposing the white body where the red pigment flows downward during firing. In the very late 18th century through the 19th century and early 20th century, the Chinese lost the ability to keep the glaze from flowing over the foot due to changes in the chemical composition of the glaze. The base had to be chipped off the kiln floor or saggar in the late Qing.
Peachbloom glaze is a type of copper glaze blown through a tube onto a piece, with a clear glaze applied on top. The color of this glaze is typically a mottled reddish pink color that sometimes include vivid green patches appearing on the piece. This glaze doesn’t need to be ground off the foot of a piece. I have two 20th century Republic vases with perfect control of the peachbloom glaze stopping neatly at the foot rim.
@william Thank you for sharing the distinction between Lang Yao glaze and peachbloom.
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