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Hi everyone,
I come across many of these jars. Some seem handpainted, others transfer printed, But where do they fit in? Are they 19th century or were they made over a much longer period?
Am I right in thinking they are provincial or for export? This one has a concave foot. I think it is hand-painted? It’s 6.5”. Are the handpainted ones worth buying? Or not?
Nic
These jars were made during the 19th century for export to South East Asia. I guess the printed ones are 20th century. If you find an old one that you like, why not buy. They have a rustic charm but are not valuable and will possibly never be because of their sheer amount. Look good on the shelf though. Google kitchen Qing for more information.
Birgit
Hi,
There are quite a lot of these around, all with the same pattern, as far as I am aware, hand-painted with varying degrees of care & style. I think they might date from 18th c (maybe earlier, I am not sure) and I am pretty sure that I read on Gotheborg that the higher the shoulders, the better the painting, the older they are.
I have one, the base is different to the one you have shown. Initially, I thought it might be 18th c but I have revised it to 19th.
Is this one for sale?
Julia
ps They tend to have unglazed necks but this one looks very dirty compared to mine.
Hi Brigit and Julia,
Thanks for all the information. I’ll post a photo of an example I believe to be transferware.
The first one is for sale, it’s £65 and has 1 bid. I singled this one out because it seemed well painted compared to most. But I think the price is too high, even though most of the better ones seem to be £50-£100.
I’m keeping an eye on it out of interest!
Nic
I can see why you think they might be, but I'm not sure. They certainly aren't as nice as the first one.
This is mine, you can see the base is very different.
Hi Julia,
thanks, yours is very lovely, the cobalt is good. What do you think accounts for the difference in the base? Yours is clearly hand painted, like the one I posted first.
The reason I think some are transferware is that they all have gaping in the diaper. I’ve marked it below. Not only that, the unglazed top I believe is coloured with some kind of café au lait wash? The painting is also more rigid. I could be totally wrong of course!
Nic
Dear Nic,
Just about the first post I made on Bid Amount was Food jars similar to the ones in your posts. The forum consensus was that my jar due to the shape of the shoulders and painting style was 20th century. As the ones you are looking at have much higher shoulders and are painted in a less abstract way would say they are 19th century. I have since posting my jar seen very similar ones to mine with those low rounded shoulders and painted in a quick abstract way being advertised as being from Vietnam and dated to the 19th century but have not really bothered to do any follow up. As others have said these jars were made in vast quantities so should be relatively cheap. If well decorated can't see why they would not look good on a dresser shelf.
Cheers
Michael
Thanks Michael.
I may pick one up at some point. But due to them being quite common, I’ll wait until I can find one at a more reasonable price.
Dear Birgit, so sorry for the misspelling of your name above. Auto-correct on my iPad has been performing all sorts of tricks lately!
Nic
No problem, dear Nic. Please avoid the pair of jars you showed, these are clearly transfer printed. You have already noticed the gap in the pattern, also the decoration looks lifeless and identical on both. There are many hand painted ones on the market for little money.
Birgit
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