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Hi everyone,
came across this online. I don’t think it’s the best but I think it is fairly well painted, there has been some effort at shading but clearly not as fine as some republic pieces I’ve seen. It’s also a ginger jar which often have a more utilitarian reputation.
The mark is similar to a post 1950s mark I’ve seen previously, but it isn’t a perfect match. I don’t own any 20th century pieces so this is completely new to me.
what do we think?
Nic
Hi Nic,
Interesting scene that fellow in the red jacket seems to have his hair cut in the Roman Tonsure he might be a western monk. Maybe a bit romantic on my part but I like to try and read the story behind the decoration on Chinese ceramics regardless of their date or quality. The mark looks a little like one of the many used by the Reputable Porcelain Factory good luck in searching for it as we know there many 100's if not thousands to go through.
Michael
You might find the mark on https://watersilkdragon.wordpress.com/ . Maybe Birgit or someone else with Tommy Eklof's book can help with the faces?
Michael, I have a little lidded pot/bowl with boys with the same hair style. They are all children. Maybe it was popular at the time and can be used for dating? I have hurriedly snapped the images on my phone, excuse poor quality. Unfortunately, there is no mark to help with dating.
Dear Nic and Julia,
sorry to be so direct but which is the reason for buying these things? Very poor quality, I would not spend 5 dollars for them.
May be within 100 years they will worth more, but today it is money thrown out for nothing. Try to re-sell them and you will see the real value. Modern, anyway.
Regards
Giovanni
Nic, I think your jar is 21th century, painted in late Republic style.
Julia, the colors and general style of your bowl let me think 1970 or later.
As to the tonsure, Tommy Eklöf writes: "Tonsures occur in the C17th and then jump to the late C19th with only three finds in the C18th to mid C19th. Mostly they appear from 1870s and onwards with a peak about 1920s."
Dear Giovanni, I partly concur with you. From a view of investment it makes no sense to collect cheap modern items. But I think it's ok to buy some for reference, if you do not clutter your house with them and your focus as a collector is on better and older items. In my opinion it's a difference if you buy modern fakes or just modern items that are nicely made and don't want to deceive. The latter might even get some value over time, though I wouldn't bet on that.
Birgit
Hi everyone,
thanks for all the responses!
Tam, Michael and Birgit - I find that when you move from one era to another in Chinese porcelain, you have to start all over again as far as interpreting painting style, decoration and spotting fakes and reproductions are concerned. It’s impossible to absorb everything at once. I guess becoming knowledgeable on the subject of Chinese ceramics is a (very long) journey rather than an event! This was my first consideration of this style of porcelain - I guess it didn’t go so well! ?
Hi Giovanni, be as direct as you like! I’d prefer directness to my making a mistake! Rest assured I am not making a habit of buying poor items. I have listened to everyone’s advice and always ask. I only buy if I have some sort of confirmation, either from Peter or this forum. But as for republic and republic-style, it isn’t something I’ve paid as much attention to as I was working more on other styles and eras. Despite this I have a long way to go.
Hi Julia, thanks for the link! I will check it out.
Suffice to say I didn’t buy the jar!
Nic
Birgit and Giovanni,
Wise words indeed.
Julia,
Yes novice monks when admitted to a temple had their hair cut like that. So perhaps a last supper at home with dad before joining the temple, might explain why mum is sitting in the garden looking so forlorn with her hanky to dry her eyes. Yes to much imagination I know.
Nic,
Thanks for posting I think you can have a lot of fun with these sort of items and maybe learn something about folk law , legends and tradition that may help you better understand the decoration and stories on better, finer and older items.
Michael
Hi Michael,
yes, I guess we’re back to the discussion we’ve had on this forum several times - why do people collect. The answer is, of course, that people’s motives and goals are different. Some collect as an investment or to make money, for others it’s a fun hobby. I guess the common thread is that everyone loves that which they collect.
For most people, the main restriction will be budget. We’d all love to have the kind of expertise (and luck!) that means we can often find excellent pieces at bargain prices, but that can only happen after years of experience. First you have to earn that experience. I guess the aim is to not make too many costly mistakes in the process!
Thankfully, this forum can help us from making too many mistakes, but we’ll all still make mistakes from time to time. I don’t think we should be ashamed of our mistakes or the reasons why we collect. Others’ mistakes can help us all learn, so it’s good to share... even if, in the process, we expose our lack of knowledge!
Nic
Dear Nic and Julia,
sorry to be so direct but which is the reason for buying these things? Very poor quality, I would not spend 5 dollars for them.
May be within 100 years they will worth more, but today it is money thrown out for nothing. Try to re-sell them and you will see the real value. Modern, anyway.
Regards
Giovanni
Don't worry, Giovanni, I didn't. ? It was only £2 which went to charity. I feel bad if I go into the shops regularly but rarely buy anything, so I try to pick up little things here and there, very often gifting them back again.
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