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This is the oddest Chinese bowl I have ever purchased what is it?

 
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Brian Crowe
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Topic starter 31/07/2021 9:39 pm  

I have never seen a bowl glazed like this. It’s not modern. Under a loop I can see copper in the glaze. The glaze ends neatly at the foot and has not been filed down. The foot is trimmed in 18th century fashion it has not been polished.

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01/08/2021 7:01 am  

Are you sure it isn't a modern studio piece?  The "mark" on the underside may be deliberate given that everything else is so tidy. 


   
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01/08/2021 9:17 am  

I agree with Julia. In fact, I have a Japanese studio bowl very similar to yours, but without the green splash.


   
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Topic starter 01/08/2021 10:23 am  

@julia that is a glaze flaw I believe not a mark. It could be a studio piece. It has a lot of ware that’s why I Don’t think modern but could be wrong. The shape is Chinese definitely. So maybe Chinese studio piece? But the foot and base are trimmed in the old style to me. Thank for the help

 

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Topic starter 01/08/2021 10:24 am  

@greeno107 could you possibly show us your studio bowl. Why do you say Japanese? Thanks for the help

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01/08/2021 11:50 am  

I was using the word "mark" losely as in literally a mark on the surface. It looks rather odd to be a flaw, that was all.


   
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Topic starter 01/08/2021 12:00 pm  

@julia oh ok. It’s a very confusing bowl that mark is odd. 


   
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01/08/2021 12:21 pm  

Could it have an applied black overglaze enamel that was a bit overfired?  Attached is the type of glaze that might be how yours was supposed to turn out.  This is from an early 20th century bowl.

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01/08/2021 12:25 pm  

@lotusblack I’m not home, but yes, I can post.

Why Japanese studio? Mostly because the Japanese were so enamored by this thick bubbly rustic glazes, and the quality looks very good.

But, could be Chinese I suppose…. Maybe even American!


   
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Topic starter 01/08/2021 12:33 pm  

@william that glaze does look close. Maybe was over fired when the apple glaze was added. Second firing


   
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Topic starter 01/08/2021 12:38 pm  

@greeno107  American interesting. Who ever made the bowl would have had to have the skill to stop the glaze at the base right at the trim edge the foot is trimmed very neatly I just don’t see this on studio pottery. Doesn’t mean it isn’t.


   
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01/08/2021 1:31 pm  

@lotusblack Last year, I posted a Nancy Lamb Iron Mountain pottery piece from Tennessee because it had a mark I could not make out and had such a Japanese vibe that I thought it must be Japanese. I eventually found a similar piece online with information, so yes, I think many American potters influenced by Asian pottery. Sharon


   
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01/08/2021 2:59 pm  

Just read about James Kaneko born 1923 Sacramento, California working with Nancy Lamb for a time at Iron Mountain pottery, he taught ceramics at American River College for 43 years. He suffered the indignities of other native born Americans of Japanese descent during World War II.


   
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Topic starter 01/08/2021 3:28 pm  

The real problem with this theory is it’s unmarked. It’s rare to find any studio pottery unmarked. But also have to go back to that Foot and the feel of the paste. This is a Chinese foot. It has kiln grit also.

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01/08/2021 4:47 pm  

@lotusblack I agree that would be an odd place for a mark, so maybe something that happened in the kiln. In any case, here is the one I thought was Japanese studio and turned out to be American. Luckily their mark changed over the years and I found a legible one, so here is an American rim. Worthpoint drives me bananas. They manage to come up first when you Google something and since I'm not in business, no, I would not like a membership. My piece is not worth much and the information is free online some where. I can see where it would be a valuable source to people in business. Sharon

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