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Dear Forum members,
Some while ago, one of the discussion threads mentioned a famille rose bowl with cockerels, Jiaqing seal mark but more likely made c. 1900. Forum member Shinigami in particular will be interested in the post I'm doing on it here.
I did a little more digging on its recent sales history. It appeared in Bonhams Knightsbridge in 2017, but failed to sell.
So from there it was sent to Bonhams Edinburgh where it appeared in 2018, given a lower estimate, and this time, managed to find a buyer. It sold for £1,250, with fees.
I think this is where you first came across it, Shinigami, but you decided not to bid on it because it had gone beyond what you were prepared to pay.
The buyer of the bowl when it appeared in Edinburgh was the eBay seller who goes under the name of arthurpotts1. He sells good things. He wasted no time and sold the bowl on again in an eBay auction the following month. It did very well, making £2,261.99. So he got a good profit out of it. Good luck to him on that.
This is an interesting case study, don't you think, of the interplay between regular auction houses and eBay. One possible conclusion from it might be that sometimes, the best bargains are to be had in regular auction rooms where, even after their additional fees have been added to the hammer price, a better deal may be had by the buyer than on eBay, in spite of eBay having no buyers' fees.
Best wishes,
Alan
Dear Alan,
thanks a lot for this very interesting sales history! It is astonishing that Ebay should fetch more than a regular auction. Arthur Potts obviously has a good hand for this.
I had another rather annoying experience going the other way. I try to avoid selling at Ebay because I am really bad at it. There was this little censer I bought at an auction as Kangxi with a Kintsugi gold repair. After some years I cautiously cleaned it and the gold went off. It was just gold color painted on, the same I use when restoring cheap things. At this time I already had my doubts about the piece, as it seemed more 19th century than Kangxi to me. And there was this ugly hairline, I didn't want it anymore, so I sold it at Ebay as 18th/19th century piece. There were many watchers but in the end I got 1 EUR for it, just the starting price. Two weeks later I saw the buyer resell it for 380 EUR on Ebay. At the moment it is offered on Trocadero as 18th century for $1550. I still believe it's 19th century but this was really annoying.
So I am far from selling the rooster plate, because, knowing my luck, I would badly loose. And I like the plate very much and love to own it.
Best regards
Birgit
Birgit
Dear Birgit,
Very annoying indeed, and I can well understand your vexation in the circumstances. One consolation for you, though, is that you bought your rooster plate very well.
Incidentally, what I identified going on there in my post is far from unique. For instance, there was a cloisonné elephant that was sold on eBay some weeks ago by the eBay seller rupehase. He also has nice things. I discovered where he bought his elephant and how much he originally paid for it. In that particular instance, his profit margin between buying it in the auction room and selling it on again on eBay was even more dramatic. When sold on eBay, it netted him some $5,000 worth of profit. So there's another example where the regular auction room turned out to be a better buyer's bet than eBay. While it's certainly true that eBay can have the occasional bargain for the savvy bidder if they know what they're doing, it's by no means an Aladdin's cave of bargains. You really need to have your wits about you.
Best wishes,
Alan
Hi Alan good reply. Just to add. if you are unsure of a on listed on either ebay or an auction house, ask a lot about the item you are interested before buying
Hi Alan good reply. Just to add. if you are unsure of a on listed on either ebay or an auction house, ask a lot about the item you are interested before buying,
The truth is that getting the 'right' price anywhere is difficult.
For example this plate:
Bought on eBay:
Sold here for £1250
And then there is this snuff bottle:
Bought on eBay:
Offered for sale by Bonhams:
Auctions are hit and miss for the most part. Whether on line or live, it all depends on the alignment of the planets and moons. I like live myself, some thing about flailing that bidders card in the air with reckless disregard.
Live auctions though (unless your at an specialty auctionj have limited items so you don’t have many options. If two or more people are bidding and the other person has deeper pockets you’re done for the day.
On line, doesn’t have the sense of fun a live auction has but it does provide many options. Should you loose one item not a big deal, there will soon be another, maybe even better.
It all comes down to buy what you like, then it it never a bad purchase.
Indeed Ron, even within auctions the prices are inconsistent. For example see this vase sold at Christies New York for $15,000 against an estimate of $6,000-$8,000
An identical example (though Doucai so you would think that it is even better) is being offered at Bonhams with a £1,000-£1,500 estimate.
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24524/lot/78/?category=grid&length=36&page=3
The whole market is a lot more fluid than a lot of people think, especially with slightly unusual items.
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