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while watching Peter’s video on Christie’s Marchant sale, I heard the Ming deer jar was paid roughly $8000 in 1967. If invested in stock market, that would have turned to roughly $2m now. So Christie’s estimation of the jar is not high in that sense. Maybe the final result is much higher than that. 🙂
I have been thinking about this as well lately because I am looking through a bunch of old auction catalogs from the 1980's. It's a mixed bag. Certain objects increased in value tremendously over time while others increased more modestly, some stayed relatively the same, and others have decreased. It's a gamble for sure.
My experience with holding art & antiques for multiple decades is that it was very easy spending my money on them, but rather more difficult selling them for profit. Most venues used for selling have various fees and/or percentage cuts taken from the sales price. Also, most people forget a significant profit on an item incurs an equally significant tax liability. Stocks can be sold instantly, unlike antiques and incur little to no fees today. They are treated favorably by the IRS when sold as long term investments.
@william That's a good point. As Peter likes to say: "You make your money when you purchase the item."
When you pay market rate or higher you should buy because you love it.
@william very good points. Just curious, how does tax work say if sold at an auction?
@steve that would be fine if you still enjoy the objects. Even for others better performed, financially it is still hard to beat othe investment options
@steve yeah, that would have been a financial disaster from an investment perspective. I've been noticing how prominently the majors featured Japanese objects back then vs now. Also there were many more Han and Tang items back then for higher prices so those would have given poor financial returns as well over the past 40 year period.
As far as tax goes (and I am not an expert), in the US it depends on whether or not you are a dealer. If so, any gain is taxed as ordinary income. If not, the maximum rate is 28%. You would, of course, deduct your acquisition cost and any costs of sale -- auctioneer's fee, shipping, etc.
@cashflowz I assume self report per item. So for items not performing, it would just be lost without tax offset. Ouch
Again, I am neither an accountant nor an attorney, but I believe you can offset a loss with a gain in the same year. Perhaps you could group everything and report the net gain or loss as the sale of part of a collection? (Only workable if there is a net gain, as losses are not allowed.) We do have an attorney in the group, but I don't know if she does tax law.
@cashflowz If you mean me, no way. I had Tax, but I also took Corporations, Payment Systems and Oil and Gas, not because I ever wanted anything to do with them but because they would likely be featured on the Bar Exam. The only fun electives I had were Aviation Law (really just more tort law), Legal Medicine (forensics and tort) and trial advocacy classes. I'm so old that I can remember reading about the crash of Japanese porcelains, all academic to me, not a gambler. Our member John Guerrero (probably being worked to death by the firm he joined in Dallas, Patents, if I remember correctly, would know more about tax than I ever will. He shared very generously his knowldege on Japanese and Chinese porcelains.
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