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Hello All
Please can I ask if anybody has come across a piece of "Southern Ding" porcelain?
My reason for asking is that this week I have purchased a Song dynasty bowl and I am trying to find out if it is a Southern Ding piece, but I cannot find an example of this type of ware online.
I believe that the bowl has many of the characteristics of a Ding ware piece, but it has an almost transparent grey-white shade and an unglazed foot. It almost looks like it is a qingbai glaze bowl, but having compared it to both a Song dynasty and Yuan dynasty qingbai example it has a more consistent shade of grey rather than turquoise pooling.
I have read online that Southern Ding porcelain was made at the Jingdezhen kilns prior to the introduction of the qingbai glaze, but I have been unable to if this was an ivory-white glaze like Northern Ding ware or another shade.
Please let me know if you have seen any examples online.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
Hi Jeremy,
sorry I know absolutely nothing about Song porcelain. But I have the white Song plate pictured below and was lucky to get an expert's opinion about it in which he talks about Southern Ding. Maybe it's at least a bit helpful to you.
“I think this is a pretty nice example of Song Dynasty Ding-type dish made in Jingdezheng or even Fujian (Fukien) or even Canton kiln sites. During Song Dynasty, there are hundreds sites producing such Southern Ding types, which should be their proper name instead of Qingbai, as i told, they are not bluish white Hutian glaze. Most of such productions are for export to Japan Korea, and to Southeast Asia. So such finds are often from seawater. You could never tell whether one piece had been metal banded or not from its current status, except from one condition: it is unearthed from soils like that of Hangzhou and Nanjing, soaked wet soil. And i could guess your example is found from seawater, and the erosion could make the metal band totally disappear. Another possibility is that, since such finds are from seawater, to be more exact, from sunken ships, they were not yet banded as to be lost in ocean before arrival to destination ports.”
Birgit
Hello Birgit
Thank you, the information gives me a better idea as to where I can widen my search. You have a nice plate.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
Dear Jeremy, your bowl is, no doubt, qingbai.
Regards
Giovanni
Hello Giovanni
Thank you, I still have much to learn. I bought it as a qingbai bowl, but when I saw the glaze I wasn't sure due to the consistent shading especially on the outside and started looking to see if there was anything similar.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
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