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This morning I took a look through the Skinner Asian Art auction results from yesterday March 16th. Skinner's is and has always been pretty notorious for not dating and or misdating many of their lots as well as offering incredibly inaccurate estimates. Anyway, one lot, in particular, jumped out as a possible huge MISS.
Link To :Lot 431 titled "Fencai -enameled Peachbloom Dish".
Description:
Fencai-enameled Peachbloom Dish, China, 18th century, with well rounded cavetto on a raised foot, the interior decorated with various flowers including peony, lily, and dahlia, the underside decorated with peachbloom glaze, six-character Qianlong mark on base, dia. 6 1/2 in.
Estimate $800-1,000
The plate sold for $11,070.00.
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My thinking on it...
In the description, they describe it as being 18th C. which it is, and they do mention it has a Qianlong mark at the end of the description. Well, if its 18th C. and has a Qianlong mark, it is "Mark and Period". A good friend of mine physically examined the piece and confirmed it was an 18th C. piece and did bid on it, but wasn't the winning bidder.
The combination of a "peachbloom glaze" with an interior done in fine Fencai enamels is extremely unusual. Possibly unique. This type of work, i.e combination of colors, indicates it might have been done during the era very possibly of Tang Ying. He was the famous superintendent of the Imperial kilns for the Yongzheng period into the early years of the Qianlong period. While they certainly did "Mark and Period" copper red and other red glazes during the Qianlong era, I cannot find one where Fencai colors were added or any overglaze enamels. The did, of course, make "Ruby back" pieces, which is enamel, but I've never seen a piece with underglaze reds.
I would love to find a comparable but have so far been unable to. If the plate is from the Tang Ying time period, I suspect it's probably worth $300,000 to $500,000, and maybe a lot more.
What are your thoughts on this?
Peter
Hiding in plain sight?
The problem is Skinners, they have such a poor reputation for doing accurate descriptions and providing good information they shoot themselves in the foot endlessly. They had a screen in the same sale with a $3,000 to $5,000 estimate, it went for $399,000. A couple years ago, they had a bowl with a $800 to $1,200 estimate and listed as "possibly Kangxi" a blind man could tell it was really rare, it went for $125,000. In that same auction they had a vase estimated at around $2,000, it went for $250,000. The place is a joke frankly. They are too cheap to hire knowledgeable people. They also sell a lot of modern pieces. It's too bad really.
Best Peter
Peter
Dear Peter,
This one certainly seems special. I'd need to do more research first before I firmed up an opinion on whether it might be unique or not, but as far as I can tell this side of doing more research, I'd have to say I've never seen a combination like it before, peach bloom on the exterior, and fencai on the interior. The ruby backs you refer to are characteristically Yongzheng period.
Often, when I come across combinations that I've never met with, my first reaction is to wonder whether the item is right. Yet, as I look at this dish, the reign mark looks so well done, the foot ring so correct, and the enamels seem compellingly on the mark. All in all, it appears to be a mark and period piece.
Let me know if you do come across another like it. Tang Ying? Well, he finished his time as kiln supervisor in the 1750s, and it strikes me that certain aspects of the dish's decoration would indeed be consistent with production earlier, rather than later, in the reign.
Many thanks for drawing attention to it. Did Skinners give a provenance?
Alan
wow, amazing. Thanks for pointing this out peter. I will have to put Skinner auction on my radar now. Soethby's watned 8 grand deposit just for Asia week bidding which I bid on two pieces under 3k each but I could not see giving them 8 grand to hold for 2 weeks just so I could bid. They said it's only for Asia week that they do this. I told them retract my bids and forget it, maybe another time. Dont you love it though when some folks who think they know dont have a clue, might be Karma also:) I am glad for folks when the get a winner for a song, thats when all the work of studying and paying attention and being alert and having a little money and opportunity presents itself and Boom, Pot of gold. After all we are all treasure hunters at heart, it's in our nature. I started bringing treasures home when I was knee high to a grasshopper to my mom, never stopped. The last treasure she got was last Christmas when she got a Ming dynasty Wanli serving platter with deer on it, it was feature by peter on one of the videos. I'm sure the Ming dynasty term does not mean much to her but she liked it and I liked giving it. Ok nuff said, till next time may all your trouble be able to be solved by money:)
joe carazola
Dear Joe,
The reason why these deposits are required for the Asian sales, and it's not just Sotheby's who do it, is because it acts as a deterrent to defaulting bidders. As you probably know, eBay is plagued by defaulting bidders, many of whom, it has to be said, are Chinese, and the major auction rooms are no less exempt. eBay does nothing about it. In the case of the major rooms, though, they are able to do something about it, and that's why you've been asked for a deposit up front.
But once Sotheby's get to know you and know that you've got a good track record, it's likely that they will drop their deposit requirement.
So persevere!
Alan
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