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I was cautiously optimistic when I looked inside this vase, but when I turned it over my optimism faded. Anyone seen a bottom like this?
It looks promising for a 19th c Sang de Boeuf glaze.
There should be some glaze pops,like pin holes and also squareish glaze crackles,horizontal and vertical.
Base not a problem,just picked up grit from the kiln.
Runny thick gaze at base also looks good.
Vic.
This is one of the rare times that I have to disagree with Vic😊.
Dear CentralPApottery, your optimism should have been faded well before of turning it up down.
In fact you should have noted that the vase has been filed. Now it looks like a jar, but it was a pear-shaped vase, or similar form, which long neck has been filed, because probably damaged.
We can clearly see that on what now has become the mouth of the vase.
It is not Langyao (Sang de Boeuf), just a 19th century copper red vase with the typical chips at the foot due to the sticking of the glaze in the kiln.
Regards,
Giovanni
Dear Vic, pin holes yes, crackles in the red glaze no. Crackles inside yes. I haven’t seen another kiln grit base that was covered by glaze. That’s what is throwing me off.
Dear Giovanni, wow, it’s hard to believe this piece is trimmed in the white rim. I see a very very thin around the top of the red at the rim, but the white part seems untouched. Also, would it really be worth someone’s effort to trim this piece? Not like it’s thousands of dollars. But, what do I know? Maybe these rim shots will help or confirm the trimming.
Dear CentralPApottery,
It is clear since the first pictures. Look the rim closely. You will see that there is not a thinning edge of the red glaze. You will see, as it is seen in the pictures, a cross section of the glaze instead, which is not shining there. A natural edge of a glaze is never like that, what we have here is a clean “cut” of the glaze. I mean that a natural edge is thinning to zero, not “cut” abruptly. The very edge of the glaze at the mouth has the same looking of the chipped glaze edge at the foot.
Another clear sign is that you will not feel a step between the glaze edge and the body, they are perfectly even, right?
Also, the shape of the vase as it is now just doesn’t exist, it is clear that the shape was going toward a now missed neck.
Regards,
Giovanni
Hi -
Giovanni@clayardbrush is quite correct. This piece has been cut down and filed, as the images clearly show ...
The glaze is not a Langyao/Sang de Boeuf type glaze, but just a normal copper red ...
Stuart
I agree with all, especially on the copper red being trimmed, not natural. Giovanni, I just couldn’t let it site there for $1.:) The white portion of the rim must have been buffed very well and maybe even some sort of glaze applied. Even though the photo doesn’t look like there’s a glaze, in person it looks pretty good. I suppose from the good buffing job. Thanks everyone.
Talking about filed vases, even that is now faked in China:
Beware!!
Giovanni
Fakes are getting better and killing the market.
Ebay is not helping at all.
I buy only one or two pieces now,insignificant but genuine,like Cups etc.
Vic
Two definite rules of thumb for me to stay away 1) is it coming from China, 2) not showing the base of the piece. I haven’t handled enough authentic blue and white pieces. Late 19th and early 20th century non blue and white, yes. My main problem is not whether the vase is modern, but whether it’s from 1920, 1820 or 1620.:) Of course, I’m not sure I’ve seen enough of the professionally faked versions. I’ve been enjoying antique pottery for 35 years now, so I can basically tell by looking and then by turning it over. Chinese porcelain is a different story, but only been studying a few years.
I won this vase this weekend on a auction in US. Small oxblood vase. I got it relatively cheap, but the shipping cost together with someone picking it up an packing it may break my budget. Is it worth spending 150 dollars to get it shipped ?
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