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Ru Ware Dish at the British Museum
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Greeno I'm always happy to show here,don't have a problem at all.
@shine Hi Vic! Well, kind of, but not really. I’m not sure why you would say such a thing about there being no benefit to sharing photos here or with major auction houses. What do you mean by that?
The rest of the post is directed to Avatar, and my offer to help reach out to Christie’s stands if we could at least get some constructive evaluation of the piece prior to me reaching out. Sorry for the confusion.
@shine I just missed your last post before posting. I knew you didn’t have a problem posting….just a matter of wording. Got it. 😎
Library is closed. Hate posting from my phone. Tommorow...
It always nice to see a Ru ware copy. But I will not be disappointed if I don’t see one. If it authentic no picture or topic changes this. I’m sure that the answer is already clear it is at least for me.
@lotusblack It’s that prejudgment of an unseen piece which makes me understand why Avatar does not wish to show it.
@shine no pre judgement at all. That’s just it no one on this forum can legitimately authenticate a ru ware piece. And until a expert in the field put his pen to the paper it is not an authentic piece nor should it be suggested. I hope it is authentic that would make for a great legacy. But unfortunately it falls in a category of a copy until proven authentic like all pieces are treated in such categories.
‘Copy’ might not be entirely the correct term, but I absolutely agree that the process works from the perspective that you must prove authenticity, not disprove the presumption of authenticity.
We should all be skeptical of anyone claiming they own something as rare as a genuine Song Dynasty ru-ware piece. To permit unsubstantiated claims to go unchecked would open the door to any member to post whatever unproven claim they want, no matter how outlandish. That certainly would damage the credibility of this forum.
If you don’t want to share, no problem. Just don’t bring it up here. Is that unreasonable ?
I made a similar remark some time ago when someone called a piece a fake, but provided no explanation. You have to be willing to back up what you say in a place like this.
Oh, I see. So I'm not allowed to say that I own a possibly authentic piece of Ru ware? Unless I show pictures and provide some kind of proof that it actually IS a possibly authentic piece of Ru ware?
I'm back at the library but have a bit of a hangover so I go out for some breakfast and/or another coffe...
Interesting thread. If be honest, I found myself at some point>>very "lost" when reading "this".
@Greeno107 I appreciate your interest and your offer of showing pics to the people you know but your assistance is not really needed at the moment. I'll contact British Museum when I'm ready for it. I could perhaps be interested in your assistance for the other possibly authentic Qingliangsi Ru pice I have but I'll have to get back to you another day. Library is closing soon so I'm going home for toay.
@avatar I think you have nothing to show, except your personal illusions. I think would be a great idea to find another "playground" to play in the sand.
@avatar If you're not interested in showing it, that's fine. Really. Let me add that showing it, or not showing it, has nothing to do with its authenticity. I think you're a good person and contribute to this forum, so let me make clear that I do not share the opinion stated by Audrius, that you have nothing to show. Okay? I really don't want to make this come off as a personal attack...it really isn't and I ment what I said about helping if possible.
However, the question that comes to my mind is, why do you inject your ownership of such a rare piece if you don't want to share what you have with others?
Quite simply, it's a taunt.
There are many members, myself included, that would love to see such a rare piece, especially one not yet accounted for. And, when asked to show it, you seem very content in giving an explination for why you don't want to show it that doesn't hold much water. Worse, whenever the subject of ru ware comes up, you again bring up your ownership of such a piece....and again, refuse to show photos.
Have you ever seen the Peanuts cartoon where Charlie brown wants to kick a football, and Lucy promises to help by holding the ball, but always at the last moment, she pulls the ball away?
Your self proclimation of owning a Song dynasty ru ware piece, but refusal to show it when asked about it, is a lot like Lucy pulling away the ball. It's aggrevating.
To own such a piece, and not be willing to share it with your peers here in the Forum, knowing that there are many of us that would sing your praises for such a discovery, is a tease to all that share this interest. And, to Brian's point (and others), your reason for not showing photos sounds disingenuous, and feeds right into a more probable narative... that you do not actually have a genuine Song dynasty ru ware piece to show (which is fine, too....neither do I).
I don't think in this Forum that any member has been permitted to just make grandiose claims without backing it up, so this is not about you, personally, but rather how we frown upon unfounded claims. In fact, I think everyone who has posted to this forum has been 'called out' on what they've posted at one point or another, so don't get your feathers too ruffled by me, and others.
If you mention you own a piece you believe is the rarest of all Chinese porcelain to a forum that most delicate a great deal of time sharing knowledge experience and resources it is just a courtesy to show the example. But everyone has a right to not provide any such piece there are negative side effects. The most finding out your legacy piece is a forgery or it being authentic but still labeled a fake. Or if your going to sell it at a major auction. Any ways if you bring up in the first place you kinda opened the door. I hope you do own a real RU thats the point of this forum to get to a place where we all have a chance at spotting that next lost treasure. Good luck on you quest.
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