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lucky
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Topic starter 13/04/2021 8:56 am  

Hi guys,

I have a question, if you will allow me - i would like to ask then.

Chinese porcelain>>Rice grain pattern - was there a similar technique used in past? I mean when porcelain was made that way - and end result similar to a rice grain pattern? When direct sun light hits a porcelain item and sun light goes trough the porcelain item and looks like that some details within porcelain item "lights up"?

There is plenty inexpensive examples as of Republic period, I am really curious about earlier periods. 

I hope that you will understand what my question is - as I found myself confused when trying to summarized my question in understandable way 🙂

 

Kind regards

Audrius


   
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13/04/2021 9:17 am  

There are a couple of great articles on Google by watersilkdragon and gotheborg web sites. The former is extensive.

Just type 'rice grain porcelain'. They should appear. Unfortunately I am using a mobile phone so I can't provide a direct link. Perhaps others can help etc.

Mark 


   
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13/04/2021 9:19 am  

I think it was made earlier. This may be a good place to find out more to start with

https://watersilkdragon.wordpress.com/

As Mark says, type rice grain pattern in the search.


   
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13/04/2021 9:21 am  

I think I understood your question, Audrius, but unfortunately I don't recall any similar techniques used earlier. I think this pattern was achieved by carving the rice grains out of the porcelain and allowing the glaze to fill in the holes. The only thing that comes close is reticulated pieces, but those lack the glaze fillings. Other than that, lithophane geisha teacups? Those are Japanese though but may be similar to what you're looking for. I'm also not sure what period those originate from. 


   
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13/04/2021 9:46 am  

Hello,

According to Gotheborg the Rice grain technique has it's origins in the 14thc.  

https://gotheborg.com/glossary/ricegrain.shtml

 

The Brooklyn Museum has a nice example from the 18thc

https://www.brooklynmuseum.org/opencollection/objects/3314

Michael

 


   
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Topic starter 13/04/2021 10:04 am  

Thank you guys for your responses. I did asked this question for one reason, I did purchased Guangxu marked  blue & white porcelain bowl, I hope it's MP, looks like at least.. Didn't cost me a lot around $48 with postage cost..

Sad  part bowl suffers with multiple rim frits and 1 hairline.

Really finely painted and very good looking bowl -  and it was used technique similar to rice grain pattern. Not much of that technique used on this bowl, just to make trees and other plants "alive". I was astonished when I did lift up bowl to a direct sun light today (as I just today received a bowl) and definitely was not expecting to receive some bonus on this bowl, as a seller was random person, with minimal knowledge on Chinese porcelain, probably was able to determine that's Chinese made porcelain..

Bowl went straight away from a good looking bowl to alive bowl at that point. 

Today is evening already and cloudy, will not be able to take some decent pictures for you guys to view, perhaps tomorrow.

I like to ask before showing - that way I can learn and memorize more info and details, when trying to get info myself -  as when someone just puts stuff on a plate, it's simple and easy.

 

Audrius


   
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Topic starter 14/04/2021 8:57 am  

Hi All,

as promised, few pictures for your consideration.

Sadly I think SD card on my camera died today..For that reason had to used my old school S7 to take pictures - never have spare funds to upgrade my phone, as I say to my wife  "it's not my priority when spending my spare funds" (you all know what exactly I mean) 😆 

Focusing is not perfect, and it's evening lol -  but to get an idea, I think should be ok.

7.5cm in height - and diameter is 13.70cm

Hoping for the best, as I did mentioned I think it's Guangxu MP (but what do I know..)

Whatever happens - I love this bowl a lot.

 

Audrius

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Topic starter 14/04/2021 8:59 am  

Gosh, pictures quality dropped drastically after upload..Maybe would be good idea to try to resize them?


   
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14/04/2021 9:08 am  

Audrius, 

 

Wow! I REALLY like your bowl. I haven't seen one like it before. I have no idea as to age, but it never occurred to me that that technique could be used in other designs. I might have to try that myself, one day. Hopefully, someone else can chime in on age. It looks very high quality, and I thought your photos were great.

 

John


   
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14/04/2021 9:31 am  

Don’t worry about picture quality, it’s clear that it’s an exceptional item. In my opinion Guangxu. The principal is that of rice grain decoration but applied in a much more artistic way. I have been looking for old rice grain porcelain for a while but never saw something like this. 

Birgit


   
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Topic starter 14/04/2021 9:51 am  

@shinigami hope don't mind me asking - is there a name to pattern on this bowl - well I know there is Three Friends of Winter pattern, but here looks like there 4 instead of 3..

 

Audrius


   
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14/04/2021 9:57 am  

@lucky Your bowl has the cutest bats that I have seen and your photos showing translucency are terrific,  lovely mark. Congratulations. Sharon


   
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14/04/2021 10:26 am  

@lucky

It could be this combination. I have a Guangxu tea caddy showing the same flowers on four sides. 

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Birgit


   
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Topic starter 14/04/2021 10:56 am  

@shinigami thank you - I will dig it up for more info on this pattern.

Adding weight of a bowl for your (and other members) reference.

218 grams

and footrim (outside to outside) around 5.45cm

 

Audrius

 

 


   
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