The Chinese and Asian Art Forum. For Fans, Collectors and Dealers.
Basic Rules For the BidAmount Asian Art Forum: Talk about whatever you want. You can even discuss and offer things that are for sale if they are authentic. Maximum image file size per post is 2 MB. Images of 700pxl x 700pxl are optimal if saved at a medium resolution. Be respectful of others and enjoy yourself. Click the YouTube link for a brief tutorial on using the forum. You can also EMBED Videos by cutting and pasting from You-Tube, Vimeo etc.
NOTE: To post an item or add a new post, click open the category title from the FORUM LIST, and CLICK the Blue ADD TOPIC button.
Hi everyone,
Just noticed something unusual which I wanted to highlight:
Featured in the newsletter this week is a jiajing period cloisonné bottle vase from highly reputable seller "qing-period"whose quality items we are all familiar with on this site.Here is the link to this listing,ending on Monday:
Funny thing is,an identical vase using an identical main photo and an identical main description is also currently for sale on ebay from a seller in China,ending on Wednesday.Either this is a huge coincidence or this guy hopes to sell it on Wednesday for more than he pays for it on Monday;otherwise it will be another addition to the long list of unpaid-for Chinese items on ebay.Here is the link to the second vase:
Does anyone know if it contravenes any ebay rules to appropriate/steal another sellers listing while the sale is still ongoing?Non-paying bidders is a big enough problem without this type of thing being allowable.
ps hope links work as this is first time I have done this
What a strange thing you found here. One explanation is that sddylf tries to win qing-period's auction, then resells the vase 2 days later for a higher price and asks qing-period to ship directly to his own buyer. He would have earned money without having the trouble of shipment. But it seems rather unrealistic to me that this could work. As sellers in China are not allowed to export old pieces, most people will assume he offers a fake. So I rather think sddylf has a similar looking modern copy, uses the authentic pictures from qing-period and hopes that the buyer won't notice the difference.
Birgit
It is interesting to read sddylf's negative feedback: "This is not the item I won and paid for", "not the item I ordered", "the item arrived on time, but it is completely different from the order". He indeed seems to offer fakes with other sellers' pictures of real things.
Birgit
The old bait and switch. I wonder how PayPal handles this sort of thing. After many requests from victims using PayPal’s resolution system, it must throw a flag.
I have contacted qing-period over Ebay and let him know about it.
Birgit
Dear epcor1 and Shinigami,
Well spotted, epcor1, it's the same vase being offered subsequently in China. And thanks for your due diligence, Shinigami, in contacting qing-period about it.
Here's another scenario. The Chinese seller tries to discover if he can get a Chinese client lined up for the vase first before it closes with qing-period, finding out how much his prospective client might be prepared to pay for it before placing any bids with qing-period. The Chinese seller's listing in that case would be a fishing strategy, designed to flush out prospective buyers and discover what potential interest in the vase was. If he finds his ideal client as a result of this ploy, then that will determine how much he decides to bid on qing-period's vase in his attempt to buy it and then sell it on to his client later. Since the Chinese seller clearly doesn't yet own qing-period's vase, it's very dodgy dealing indeed. And if, say, the Chinese seller managed by his dodgy dealing to identify a prospective buyer, then bid successfully on qing-period's vase, and then if for some reason that prospective buyer decided to pull out, the Chinese seller would simply renege on his obligation to buy qing-period's vase, leaving qing-period with yet another unpaid item: the Chinese seller's strategy would effectively tie up qing-period's vase until he discovered whether or not he could sell it on for a profit, and if it turned out he couldn't, he'd default with qing-period.
What you have uncovered, epcor1, is likely to be the tip of an iceberg. Although it's dodgy dealing, I don't think eBay has anything to say about it that I'm aware of. Someone might care to correct me if I'm wrong. eBay ought to have a way of responding effectively to abuses of this sort. I'm not sure it has.
Best wishes,
Alan
Shinigami,Ronm,Alan
Thanks for your responses.Alan,I guess your theory re lining up a prospective buyer makes sense though I've just read sddylf's description:"Due to light and screen difference,the item's colour may be slightly different from the pictures.Please understand and make sure you don't mind before you bid".More than likely,what you say Shinigami is correct,he's got a modern,similar copy that he'll send to the unfortunate buyer.A more appropriate notice might have read:"Due to quality and age(200 years) difference,the item will be completely different from the pictures.Please understand and make sure you don't mind etc etc"
I admit,it's a wee bit amusing but the serious point is that this is what puts a lot of people off selling/buying on ebay.I continue to buy,often based on newsletter recommendations but have given up on selling,at least for the time being,due to non-paying bidders.I wonder if any of you have had similar experience?
Regards,EP
PS I also contacted "qing-period" to let him know
Hi,
Well-spotted epcor1. This has to be some underhand dodgy dealing. Perhaps one of us should ask for additional photos, eg one from directly above (to check there are no dents in the round body) as Qing period does not seem to have one like that.
This is just horrible behaviour. I also wonder how much of this is going on. It is good to know that it is. though, something we cam now be be vigilant for.
Julia
Dear Forum members,
A few days ago, the vigilance of Forum member epicor1 exposed the activity of a fraudulent Chinese eBay dealer who was offering for sale a cloisonné vase also being offered at exactly the same time by eBay seller qing-period.
Members will be interested in the outcome of the fraudulent auction if they haven't tracked it already. The fraudster's vase 'sold', a miracle considering he didn't even own it:
I wonder what will happen now? Will the fraudster simply renege on the deal with his successful bidder, saying something like, 'I've lost the vase' (which is what I suspect), or try to get away with sending the bidder a replica?
It's scandalous that this sharp practice should be tolerated on eBay, so I'm wondering if Forum members know, is there no way of reporting the scam to eBay and getting the fraudster kicked off the site?
Alan
Interesting that the bidders are all private! I see the Qing-period one didn't reach the reserve.
Julia
I've seen this kind of situation a number of times, on two of them I called my eBay account rep and the duplicate item was promptly removed. They are not always sellers in China doing this, but in the US and EU as well.
Thanks for letting Qing - Period know about it.
best Peter
Peter
Latest Post: Help identifying this plate. Our newest member: Claude Bailey Recent Posts Unread Posts
Thanks for visiting "The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art"
If you sell on eBay, or have a shop feel free to post images and descriptions and links.
Check back often for discussion about the latest news in the Chinese art and antique world. Also find out about the latest Asian art auctions at Sotheby's, Christie's, Bonhams and Tajans.
Auction results for: fine porcelain, ceramics, bronze, jade, textiles and scholar's objects. As well as Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese and other Asian cultures.
Thank you,
Peter Combs
Topics and categories on The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art
Kangxi vases, Kangxi dishes and chargers, Kangxi ritual pieces, Kangxi scholar's objects, Qianlong famille rose, Qianlong enamels, Qianlong period paintings, Qianlong Emporer's court, Fine porcelain of the Yongzheng period. Chinese imperial art, Ming porcelain including Jiajing, Wanli, Xuande, Chenghua as well as Ming jades and bronzes.
Join the BidAmount Chinese and Asian art discussion board and forum today
The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art
A free Asian art discussion board and Asian art message board for dealers and collectors of art and antiques from China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and the rest of Asia. Linked to all of the BidAmount Asian art reference areas, with videos from plcombs Asian Art and Bidamount on YouTube. Sign up also for the weekly BidAmount newsletter and catalogs of active eBay listing of Chinese porcelain, bronze, jades, robes, and paintings.
The art of calligraphy - and for the ancient Chinese it certainly was an art - aimed to demonstrate superior control and skill using brush and ink. Calligraphy established itself as one of the major Chinese art forms during the Han dynasty (206 BCE - 220 CE), and for two millennia after, all educated men were expected to be proficient at it.
The Museum’s collections of Asian art span nearly five millennia and encompass the cultures of China, the Himalayas, India, Japan, Korea, and Southeast Asia. In 2007, the Museum launched an initiative to create dedicated galleries for the collection, beginning with a gallery for the arts of Korea ...
Chinese art is full of symbolism, in that artists typically seek to depict some aspect of a totality of which they are intuitively aware.
China Online Museum is the finest online museum of Chinese art. It features Chinese calligraphy, painting, ceramics, bronzes, carving, and other artworks.
Chinese Ceramics & Works of Art. Overview Upcoming auctions Contacts Auction results ... Christie’s sales of Chinese ceramics and works of art showcase centuries of Chinese history. Held throughout the year in London, New York, Paris and Hong Kong, they attract a wide audience of collectors and connoisseurs vying for pieces as diverse as ...
Explore Asian Art Week. Contact the Specialist Department. Chinese Paintings ... Senior Specialist, Head of Sale. [email protected]. Tel:+1 212 641 5760. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 September 2019 at New York. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 ...
Discover an abundance of must-see art from all corners of a vast continent at Christie’s NY Asian Art Week. From contemporary classical and Chinese paintings to works with exemplary provenance from the Art Institute of Chicago, our Rockefeller Paza galleries will be full of ancient treasures and contemporary masterworks in a salute to the vibrant arts of Asia.
Sold to benefit The Art Institute of Chicago’s Asian Art Acquisition Fund, the sale features 84 lots with a focus on Ming and Qing porcelains, and offers a rare insight into the taste for collecting Chinese ceramics and works of art in the Midwest from the end of the 19th century through the 1980s. Highlights include two Wanli wucai garlic-head vases, a Qianlong mark and period, blue and ...
Specialist, Chinese Paintings, Christie's London Dr Malcolm McNeill is a Specialist in Chinese Paintings at Christie’s, based in London. He previously worked as an assistant curator of the Chinese collections and the Victoria and Albert Museum in London, as a researcher at the British Museum, and as a translator and tour guide at the National Palace Museum in Taipei.
The Christie's Education 2020 Conference: The Chinese Art Market 18 Jun 2019 Christie’s Education is delighted to announce our first international academic conference in Asia which will take place in Hong Kong from 26-27 November 2020 at the Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre and will run in parallel with Christie’s Hong Kong Autumn Auctions.
The summer Chinese Art sale in Hong Kong will feature works of art from several private collections, including Qing porcelains and textile from the collection of the legendary Chinese art dealer A. W. Bahr (1877–1959), fine gilt bronze Buddhist sculptures from an old Hong Kong collection, an East Asian collection of Qing dynasty wine cups and jades, and a Japanese collection of Song ceramics ...
Sotheby's Chinese Works of Art Department holds two auctions each year in London, New York, Hong Kong and Paris.
Chinese Art - View Auction details, bid, buy and collect the various artworks at Sothebys Art Auction House.
With more than 340 Chinese works of art dating from the Neolithic to the Republic periods, highlights of this sale include a selection of Qing Imperial monochromes from the collection of Arnold and Blema Steinberg, early ceramics from the Art Institute of Chicago and Chinese porcelain and works of art from the collection of Henry Arnhold.
Results: Sotheby's Asia Week achieved $52.4 million in six strong auctions, exceeding pre-sale estimates. With 76.5% of lots sold and 60.3% of lots surpassing high estimates, the Asian art sales at Sotheby's indicate continued collector interest in the finest works of art from China, India and and the Himalayas.
Today's sale of Important Chinese Art will proceed as planned with sessions at 10 AM and 2 PM EDT. Sotheby's will be monitoring the weather conditions throughout the day and will be available to coordinate alternative bidding options should conditions make it difficult for clients to attend the auction in person.
Bonhams Chinese Art department is renowned for offering the finest works of art representing the richness and breadth of China's artistic heritage, particularly Imperial porcelain, white and spinach green jades, cloisonné and Buddhist art. Specialised international auctions are held globally, including London, Hong Kong and San Francisco.
Bonhams : Chinese Works of Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Chinese Art (US) General enquiries
Bonhams : Fine Chinese Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars Bonhams : Asian Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site.
Bonhams are international auctioneers of fine Chinese and Japanese art. We specialise in rare Imperial and Export Chinese ceramics and works of art, as well as Japanese ceramics, fine and decorative works of art from the Neolithic Period to the 20th century. View on map
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Asian Art Bonhams. Work. 22 Queen St.