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Hi everyone,
Just noticed something unusual which I wanted to highlight:
Featured in the newsletter this week is a jiajing period cloisonné bottle vase from highly reputable seller "qing-period"whose quality items we are all familiar with on this site.Here is the link to this listing,ending on Monday:
Funny thing is,an identical vase using an identical main photo and an identical main description is also currently for sale on ebay from a seller in China,ending on Wednesday.Either this is a huge coincidence or this guy hopes to sell it on Wednesday for more than he pays for it on Monday;otherwise it will be another addition to the long list of unpaid-for Chinese items on ebay.Here is the link to the second vase:
Does anyone know if it contravenes any ebay rules to appropriate/steal another sellers listing while the sale is still ongoing?Non-paying bidders is a big enough problem without this type of thing being allowable.
ps hope links work as this is first time I have done this
What a strange thing you found here. One explanation is that sddylf tries to win qing-period's auction, then resells the vase 2 days later for a higher price and asks qing-period to ship directly to his own buyer. He would have earned money without having the trouble of shipment. But it seems rather unrealistic to me that this could work. As sellers in China are not allowed to export old pieces, most people will assume he offers a fake. So I rather think sddylf has a similar looking modern copy, uses the authentic pictures from qing-period and hopes that the buyer won't notice the difference.
Birgit
It is interesting to read sddylf's negative feedback: "This is not the item I won and paid for", "not the item I ordered", "the item arrived on time, but it is completely different from the order". He indeed seems to offer fakes with other sellers' pictures of real things.
Birgit
The old bait and switch. I wonder how PayPal handles this sort of thing. After many requests from victims using PayPal’s resolution system, it must throw a flag.
I have contacted qing-period over Ebay and let him know about it.
Birgit
Dear epcor1 and Shinigami,
Well spotted, epcor1, it's the same vase being offered subsequently in China. And thanks for your due diligence, Shinigami, in contacting qing-period about it.
Here's another scenario. The Chinese seller tries to discover if he can get a Chinese client lined up for the vase first before it closes with qing-period, finding out how much his prospective client might be prepared to pay for it before placing any bids with qing-period. The Chinese seller's listing in that case would be a fishing strategy, designed to flush out prospective buyers and discover what potential interest in the vase was. If he finds his ideal client as a result of this ploy, then that will determine how much he decides to bid on qing-period's vase in his attempt to buy it and then sell it on to his client later. Since the Chinese seller clearly doesn't yet own qing-period's vase, it's very dodgy dealing indeed. And if, say, the Chinese seller managed by his dodgy dealing to identify a prospective buyer, then bid successfully on qing-period's vase, and then if for some reason that prospective buyer decided to pull out, the Chinese seller would simply renege on his obligation to buy qing-period's vase, leaving qing-period with yet another unpaid item: the Chinese seller's strategy would effectively tie up qing-period's vase until he discovered whether or not he could sell it on for a profit, and if it turned out he couldn't, he'd default with qing-period.
What you have uncovered, epcor1, is likely to be the tip of an iceberg. Although it's dodgy dealing, I don't think eBay has anything to say about it that I'm aware of. Someone might care to correct me if I'm wrong. eBay ought to have a way of responding effectively to abuses of this sort. I'm not sure it has.
Best wishes,
Alan
Shinigami,Ronm,Alan
Thanks for your responses.Alan,I guess your theory re lining up a prospective buyer makes sense though I've just read sddylf's description:"Due to light and screen difference,the item's colour may be slightly different from the pictures.Please understand and make sure you don't mind before you bid".More than likely,what you say Shinigami is correct,he's got a modern,similar copy that he'll send to the unfortunate buyer.A more appropriate notice might have read:"Due to quality and age(200 years) difference,the item will be completely different from the pictures.Please understand and make sure you don't mind etc etc"
I admit,it's a wee bit amusing but the serious point is that this is what puts a lot of people off selling/buying on ebay.I continue to buy,often based on newsletter recommendations but have given up on selling,at least for the time being,due to non-paying bidders.I wonder if any of you have had similar experience?
Regards,EP
PS I also contacted "qing-period" to let him know
Hi,
Well-spotted epcor1. This has to be some underhand dodgy dealing. Perhaps one of us should ask for additional photos, eg one from directly above (to check there are no dents in the round body) as Qing period does not seem to have one like that.
This is just horrible behaviour. I also wonder how much of this is going on. It is good to know that it is. though, something we cam now be be vigilant for.
Julia
Dear Forum members,
A few days ago, the vigilance of Forum member epicor1 exposed the activity of a fraudulent Chinese eBay dealer who was offering for sale a cloisonné vase also being offered at exactly the same time by eBay seller qing-period.
Members will be interested in the outcome of the fraudulent auction if they haven't tracked it already. The fraudster's vase 'sold', a miracle considering he didn't even own it:
I wonder what will happen now? Will the fraudster simply renege on the deal with his successful bidder, saying something like, 'I've lost the vase' (which is what I suspect), or try to get away with sending the bidder a replica?
It's scandalous that this sharp practice should be tolerated on eBay, so I'm wondering if Forum members know, is there no way of reporting the scam to eBay and getting the fraudster kicked off the site?
Alan
Interesting that the bidders are all private! I see the Qing-period one didn't reach the reserve.
Julia
I've seen this kind of situation a number of times, on two of them I called my eBay account rep and the duplicate item was promptly removed. They are not always sellers in China doing this, but in the US and EU as well.
Thanks for letting Qing - Period know about it.
best Peter
Peter
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