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This decorative lotus cup sold for $3000. It had a Wanli six-character mark. Only have these two pictures though.
This is what I told you in my previous post. One seller selling forgeries will have multiple accounts to sell his fakes and place phony bids. The way both items were photographed with the background and closeups look identical. You can find scam artists out there who specialize in selling fake chinese antiques and use clever trick to deceive you.
The wucai bowl and blue and white cup are modern.
From your previous comment it appears you are a new collector and do not have yet acquired the knowledge to spot the most obvious replicas. I am trying to help and I am not sure how to say it politely. If I were you, I would immediately stop buying ANY chinese antiques unless it comes from a reputable source or until you study the matter in depth. I suspect all the pieces you purchased from this website are modern replicas. JUST STOP BUYING.
I'm quite certain the liangzhu jade I mentioned is authentic UNLESS it is different when seen in person than it appear on the photographs. It's in transit so I'll have to wait. The other pieces I bought are more tricky. They are in transit too.
Did you use paypal somewhere in the transaction by any chance? If yes, please post the photos of your items here and if we come to the conclusion they are modern replicas you can force them to refund you by opening a paypal claim.
What is the name of the website you talk about BTW?
I use paypal when I can and I actually have some open cases now where I'm about claim refunds both from paypal and mastercard. Unfortunately I'm not willing to show pictures of the items I've purchased.
These items were listed on yahoo auction in japan or one of their proxy and once they sell them they will re-list almost identical ones in a month or two. I've been trying to warn you, almost every chinese "antiques" listing on this website is a scam with shill bids meant to give credibility to the auction and bring up the price.
I am curious, why are you asking the opinion of the members here on pieces you consider buying if you dismiss everything we say anyway? I guess it is your money so you can do whatever you would like with it. Many of these pieces are very decorative but will have no re-sale value which is quite unfortunate if you have worked hard to earn your money.
I didn't dismiss it. I didn't buy any of the pieces I was asking opinion about. Those that I did buy I didn't ask opinion about. Regarding the bronze censers my thought was that the people here had overlooked the fact they are gilt-lacquered and therefore they could possibly be authentic.
This fine lacquer tray is available from the same seller I bought the liangzhu jade piece from. It is described as Japanese, edo period. The seller has a lot of Japanese lacquer available. I thought it was interesting since I suspected that it is possibly Chinese, Song dynasty. But is it in fact just a modern fake?
Those valuable pieces I talked about that sold for bargains are jades mainly. I'll see if I can post pictures of some of them tomorrow.
This tray is known as Raden ware. Where mother of pearl is inlaid/pressed into the lacquer.
I am not an expert/collector on these types of things, however I submit that it's probably late Meiji period rather than earlier period. I am inclined towards that period because (from my limited knowledge) Raden ware was at its peak towards the end of the Meiji period both in style and quality.
This is one currently available via zentner collection and described as Meiji period.
The following is from the same seller and described as an yumi arrow case, edo period.
Just my thoughts.
Mark
Dear Corey,
a seller who takes such professional pictures and even has a box for each item - don’t you agree he knows exactly what he sells and what were his sources? It’s highly unlikely that a bargain slips through his fingers. A knowledgeable seller would never offer something too cheap unless he knows it’s a fake.
As Springmeier said bargains pop up in private sales. Heirs or second hand dealers clearing a household without knowing much about porcelain. I have bought countless items over the years but have found maybe 3 items I would call a real bargain. These were in the purchase price range of 30-300 EUR and they were offered on my national Ebay, not worldwide.
My advice is the same as Springmeier’s: Don’t expect to find a Ming vase as a door stopper, even less to find it on dubious web sites. Start small, buy modest but authentic items and learn by handling them.
Birgit
Well - Many Ming vases discovered in peoples homes has actually been used for various silly purposes like door stops and umbrella stands. They have usually been discovered by prof appraisers visiting peoples homes and since I'm not such a person I don't expect to discover a Ming vase as a door stopper. But I've found Ming vases for bargains on various websites on the internet in contrast (as well as numerous fakes unfortunately).
About the lacquer tray. This square shape is very typical for the Song/Yuan period but was widely copied in Japan in the 18/19th century. The mythological figure depicted (forgot his name) was popular and commonly seen in Japanese art in said period but also appeared in China during the song dynasty where black lacquer inlaid with mother of pearl was also very popular. It is probably most likely Japanese as described but I like it and might acquire if bidding doesn't go too high.
Hi Cory -
Springmeier, Birgit, and Mark have, once again, given you some excellent advice, as have others, Giovanni, Xin and Vic in previous post. They are, and have been, only trying to help ...
By your own admission, your knowledge of ceramics is not good, yet you continue to belive you can unearth rare or unusual Imperial masterpieces on these obscure websites and auction houses visited?! ...
As Peter mentioned recently in one of his weekly newsletter videos, the chances of finding such are extremely remote - to say the least ...
I would concur with @springmeier - the Jiajing wucai and Wanli blue/white pieces are both fakes, modern and made to decive the unwary ...
You also admite that you have 'some open cases' where you are about to claim refunds' - presumably on pieses that have turned at to be fakes - a salient lesson - perhaps?!
As with others, I would strongly advise you to stop buying from these sources and wasting your money - although, in the end, it is yours to waste ...
Stuart
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