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.This nice lacquer cabinet is available at a very reasonable price. It probably dates to the late Ming dynasty. But are there any reasons to doubt the authenticity? I'm not so terribly experienced with lacquer ware unfortunately. I think the condition is probably the reason why it's cheap.
Adding a link to a comparable example at Bonhams, dated to the late Ming and estimated at £15,000 - £20,000 but left unsold. https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24077/lot/323/ Nobody around with knowledge of Chinese lacquer?
You have to be careful with these, because the fakes coming out of China have gotten unbelievably good in the past few years. I bought a round box last year that matched up perfectly with auction records, and when I received it, you could smell the new lacquer. I was amazed at how well they reproduced the aging in terms of cracking, crazing, patina, painting, and even peeling of layers and slightly misshapen pieces. But it was more obviously new in person than in photos. After that I started seeing a lot of them coming out of China on ebay. I believe the fakes are so good that you no longer see the big prices on these that we used to, unless there is very solid provenance.
Yes, thanks. I know I have to be careful. I have lost tonnes of money on fakes. But this one is authentic think although I'm not certain. Anyway I'm not going to bid on it since I'm not 100% certain and there are more interesting stuff available. (The two bronze censers available at the same place are also authentic I believe.) But I guess I'll have to use bidamounts preview service if I want to be certain.
If you aren't a true expert on chinese antiques or doing this for a living, I will strongly suggest you to buy from reputable sources or you will keep loosing your money. The cabinet looks new and made to deceive. If the bronze censers are from the same seller I suspect they are brand new as well. Trying to acquire more modest pieces at good auction houses for the appropriate price will be worth it over the long run if you want your collection to be a wise financial investment. It is when you try buy stuff at bargain price that you keep getting screwed.
@springmeier Can you confirm the cabinet is new? The seller have a couple other lacquer items for sale that to my untrained eye looks authentic. I was just about to start up new topics about them but I guess I'll post here instead.
The reason why I thought the bronze censer was real was because I found out they are gilt--lacquered and not just common gilt bronze which would possibly explain the odd appearance of the gilt, etc. but again I could very well be wrong with that conclusion.
Oh, sorry. My mistake. The pieces I had in mind is offered by a different seller,
I have a good idea what is the website you are looking at to buy these items. I've looked at it a couple times myself and it is MUCH worse than ebay because there is little to no protection like ebay and paypal offer and the sellers abuse it. There might be 1 good item for every 1000 fakes but you would really need to know what you are looking for and dig quite a bit. It also appears to me that sellers selling there use proxy accounts to bid on their own items in order to give them credibility and increase the price. 99.9%+ of chinese antiques listed there are fakes.
I would recommend, depending on your budget, to stick to the big auction houses or ebay items featured on the bidamount newsletter. It appears you are a new collector. Please, do not try to buy items for a fraction of what they would sell at a good auction. You will keep getting scammed.
I don't know. I got a very nice liangzhu jade piece for 300, a song/yuan dynasty qingbai ewer for less and a couple of other items I have doubt about myself and there has been authentic and very valuable stuff selling for bargains.
I'm not really a new collector but I'm fairly new to ceramics and even more new to bronze and lacquer. Jade is my main interest and I started collecting this more than 15 years ago. It's the ceramics that I've lost most money at but I've also had luck to buy valuable period pieces for bargains, so I don't complain.
I looked up the realized price for a few good antiques that were listed . I found this blue and white lotus bowl that appears to be, based on the photos, an authentic kangxi mark and period piece. It is damaged and restored but it is nice quality example. It sold for $4500 which is a fair price but not a bargain per say. I've seen similar results when the rare authentic pieces are sold. It seems there is too many eyes to allow a nice piece to sell for a bargain. Maybe you can post a few example of valuable items that sold way under the money and prove me wrong.
Personally, the biggest bargains I found were locally and in person. When a collection is inherited and the new owners want to get rid of it quickly. That is usually when you can get the best deals. It is very hard nowadays to find good bargains on the internet.
Yes, I can post some examples later. I just updated the thread with the bronze censers if you want to take a look. I think the qilin censer is likely authentic but I'm in no way certain.
I was hoping to snatch this longquan bowl for a bargain but it sold for almost a thousand. It would still be a very good price compared to what you would pay at Sotheby's. Now please don't laugh if it should turn out to be a fake.
My purpose is far from making fun of you. We all make mistakes and this forum is made to help each other in our hobby of collecting asian art.
The bronze censer you posted recently is an obvious fake. I don't have the knowledge to judge the longquan bowl but from the way it has been photographed, it seems to come from the same seller selling the "ming" lacquer cabinet and I strongly suspect it is a modern reproduction as well.
I'll give you the same advice for the third time. Stop buying from this website. You are getting robbed.
And this wucai bowl also that sold for $2000. It was a strange listing with no specific dating other than Ming and no picture of the base but it looked to me like a Jiajing period example and if it was marked it would be a real bargain. I only have this picture unfortunately.
So these were the examples I could show right now. To find more I would have to dig deeper in my archives which may take a while so I hope this helps.
The longquan censer was not sold by the same seller as the lacquer cabinet.
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