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I wanted to share with you my favorite chinese antique I bought this month. A massive (56cm) famille rose export jar from the yongzheng to early qianlong period (in my opinion). It has famille rose and famille verte colors. It might be a 19th century or early 20th C. replica also, I will have to make more research to be sure one way or the other.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LTb3GcRHErbzAyxd9
I'll have an ebay sale with this piece and a few more very soon. I have a large collection of 1980s-1990s auction catalogue I'll put on sale too, i think some member here might be interested
Tell me what you think of it! thanks
Wow, an amazing amount of work has gone into this: that metal gate is pretty impressive. Is it the story of the women who go out to fight, can't remember what it is called - might even be a Japanese story I am thinking of.
I am probably not the best person to ask about the dates of items; my only comment at the moment is that it is a very busy decoration, which isn't usually a Yongzheng characteristic but obviously that won't exclude the possibility. Do you have a photo of the base?
hi Julia,
I'll try to take one if the bottom tomorrow. This vase weights over 60lbs. I'll have to ask someone to help me with it.
Don't risk breaking it on my account! However, if you are going to sell it online, I guess you will need one anyway.
It’s certainly imposing! I’ll also be very interested in this discussion because it’s not what I’d have expected in a Yongzheng piece, but my experience is limited so it will be great to learn more!
I don’t envy you having to pack and post it when you come to selling it! It’s huge!
Nic
What a beautiful jar, very impressive. The faces would be ok for early 18th century, but the colors make me think it's rather late 19th/early 20th century. There's an unusual lot of pink, and the violet color didn't appear before Qianlong if I remember correctly. Surely some of our experts will know more about it.
Birgit
thank you for your comments. I added a photo of the bottom. You can see it in the google photo link above.
Thanks for the photo. Is that a late 19th c foot rim? I don't know.
I am inclined towards Birgit's view that the faces are ok for 18th c but there is something about the colours - and maybe the way some things are painted such as the rocks and the fence in front of the men that makes me think of other, later things, but later things often have roots in the past.
Can you learn something from the black colour and the yellow?
Yes I agree this is an impressive thing , but the foot and base are not typical for C18th. And they look quite modern/new
My concern would be this vase is too good to be true , in terms of colours, subject and condition.
If the faces are similar to C18th examples, are these faces also found sometimes in the late C19th, Birgit?
Or is there a definite change in the way faces are done later ?
tam
I've made some research, the scene is called " Generals of the Yang Family". It was commonly painted in the 18th C. (but probably reproduced later as well).
The enamels are of good quality, bright and translucent which is what you would expect from early 18th century export ware. However some scenes do have a "19th C. feel" to them. The decorations are also very skilfully painted with good shadowing.
From the photos I've been able to find online on 18th C. jars of this size, the foot and bottom could be correct. I am not sure if they reproduced such export pieces during the late-qing period.
It bought it to an elderly woman who had purchased it in the early 70s. It means it is unlikely to be modern.
I still think it must be from the early 18th C. or late 19th C.
Yes Tam, the faces were copied in the late 19th century and sometimes very good, so if you have these faces you have to judge by additional clues like colors or footrim. I don’t think it’s recent though because the black color has crumbled away in parts, a problem they overcame later.
Birgit
Thanks Birgit, I remember there was a discussion on here about black but couldn't recall it precisely. It is certainly patchy and in places there seems to be another colour showing through which I seem to remember was also mentioned.
I suppose that could also be faked these days.
Dear William,
I did look at the pictures many times.
My first impression has been of a 19th century copy.
Now I changed it for many reasons. I believe that you have a genuine Yongzheng jar there. It may not be of the highest quality, but it is Yongzheng to me. So, not purchase of the Month but purchase of the Year instead.
If I were in your shoes, I would not list it on ebay but would contact one of the big Auction houses instead.
A last thing: if it will sell very well as it should, my fare is 10%
Regards
Giovanni
William,
I agree with Giovanni,this is a truly wonderful Yongzheng Vase.
This is a once in a lifetime find,such a size and what looks like great condition.
If you do decide to sell it you must do it through a major auction house.That way you do not have to worry about the perils of shipping it.
Could you imagine shipping this yourself after an EBay sale with yourself being liable,it makes me shudder.
Congratulations,this is the best thing anyone has shown on here in my opinion.
Vic
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