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Topic starter 26/04/2019 4:47 am  

apologies in advance if I’m posting something that is not Asian in origin, but I’ve been trying to work out what this is. It’s 4.5”x2.5”x2.5”.

I doubt it has much age, and even though it may not be Chinese or Japanese, I thought it may have been inspired by an object that is?

The nearest I could get to was an ink or pen stand. All suggestions appreciated!

 

here is an 18th century inkstand of English manufacture. Note that my mystery object doesn’t have the larger hole for the inkwell. So maybe just a pen stand?

 

Regards Nic


   
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26/04/2019 5:12 am  

Dear Nic,

I think it is a bulb pot. They were very popular in 16th/17th c Holland especially when the tulip mania was on. I suspect the English example you show is also a bulb pot. They were made in China for export.  The older Dutch and English ones were made in Delft wear to imitate the Chinese porcelain. Can't really tell the age or the material of the one you have shown from the photo's but the base looks to be fairly recent through my   screen and to my eye. Could not find an image of an old one but here is something being offered on Ebay at the moment

Cheers

Michael

  https://www.ebay.com/itm/192894648574?ul_noapp=true


   
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26/04/2019 6:33 am  

 

It is a Flower Brick,popular in the 18th c.

It doesn't seem to have much age and is not a tinglazed item like the original pen stand and inkwell.

The Mimosa item is interesting as I have an English delft plate in this pattern on Ebay at the moment,made circa 1740 at Wincanton or Bristol.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/18th-c-Wincanton-or-Bristol-Delft-Plate-Mimosa-pattern-blue-white-1740s-No-2/153460120205?hash=item23baef9a8d:g:TLQAAOSwFLpcvYbF

 


   
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26/04/2019 7:10 am  

Nic,

With a bit more time I found these on Pinterest. I think because of the large round hole in the center they get mistaken for inkwells

Michael.

https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/306104105914428132/?lp=true


   
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26/04/2019 10:28 am  

Collections 242 OF 1020 RESULTS Flower bowl Place of Origin: China Historical Period: Song dynasty (960-1279) Materials: High-fired ceramic with olive green glaze Dimensions: H. 3 1/2 in x W. 6 1/2 in Credit Line: The Avery Brundage CollectionThese is two from the song period in this site I found one from the tang period from a different site but can’t remember which one these are the earliest ones I have found.

John

 


   
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Topic starter 26/04/2019 11:02 am  

Hi Brett,

I would agree that my example has little age. The one you’ve shown here (thank you!) is like the English one I have posted in as much as it has one large central hole and lots of smaller holes to the side. Mine doesn’t have the large hole, so wasn’t sure if it qualified!

I thought perhaps it could be a posy pot, similar to a modern rosebowl? But I thought perhaps it was too small?

Thanks again for the tip-off

 


   
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Topic starter 26/04/2019 11:09 am  

Hi John, 

the link doesn’t work for me. Did you attach it using the ‘link’ attachment in the right hand corner of the comments box?

Nic


   
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26/04/2019 12:13 pm  

Some18th c examples.

 


   
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26/04/2019 2:51 pm  
Posted by: Brettm

Dear Nic,

I think it is a bulb pot. They were very popular in 16th/17th c Holland especially when the tulip mania was on. I suspect the English example you show is also a bulb pot. They were made in China for export.  The older Dutch and English ones were made in Delft wear to imitate the Chinese porcelain. Can't really tell the age or the material of the one you have shown from the photo's but the base looks to be fairly recent through my   screen and to my eye. Could not find an image of an old one but here is something being offered on Ebay at the moment

Cheers

Michael

  https://www.ebay.com/itm/192894648574?ul_noapp=true

Michael 🙂

You are fast becoming Sherlock Holmes. Rather ingenious that you happen upon the solution in that fashion.  

Kudo's 


   
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Topic starter 26/04/2019 3:58 pm  

Thanks everyone,

so I guess it’s a flower brick/bulb pot!

Mystery solved! You guys are awesome!


   
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Topic starter 26/04/2019 4:03 pm  

I followed one of the links and look what I found! A spongeware flower brick that sold in auction for £20! 

Nic


   
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26/04/2019 11:36 pm  

Dear Short,

No Sherlock inspiration, I have always had an interest in social history and I have done a bit of study regarding the Dutch tulip bubble or tulip mania that occurred in Holland in the 17thc. On this occasion social history gave me an incite to ceramic history.

Cheers

Michael.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania

 

 

     


   
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27/04/2019 7:24 pm  
Posted by: Brettm

Dear Short,

No Sherlock inspiration, I have always had an interest in social history and I have done a bit of study regarding the Dutch tulip bubble or tulip mania that occurred in Holland in the 17thc. On this occasion social history gave me an incite to ceramic history.

Cheers

Michael.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania

 

 

     

🙂 Apples and Oranges. 

I like history too, and i am well researched on the tulip mania from a marketing perspective but still i would never have made the connection. 


   
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