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I thought it might be interesting to hear some thoughts about this vase.
I purchased it about 10 years ago when I was just cutting my teeth on the complexities of Chinese porcelains. I remember how I thought that I bought a genuine Chenghua vase, the rich blue, the piling, the polished foot, the high kaolin white porcelain, and the beautiful rendering - all of which is true.
But of course, the piece is fairly modern, not at all in the Ming/Chenghua style, and while fairly detailed, not in the manner of any Ming or Qing porcelains that I'm aware of.
Nevertheless, while from a collector's standpoint I missed the mark by overlooking the important indicators of age and authenticity, I still feel my best decision while beginning my journey as a collector was to focus on the quality of the rendering first, then evaluate age/authenticity.
To date, I've never seen a similar 'boys day' vase, so this work of modern creation appears to be a one of a kind. So, no regrets.
This is good for me to see. As a new collector the first thing that makes me suspicious is the mark, which seems to have the wrong color to my eye, looking too newish. Also, the base seems too glossy. But those handles are impressive! And the detail work in the art is catchy as well. If I saw this somewhere for under a hundred bucks I probably wouldn't be able to help myself, because if it is real holy moly! Man, this is a tricky business.
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I loved reading this.
Honestly these are some of my favourite collector stories to hear.
Sure it would be a nice world to always get a pristine m&p flawless example: but it simply doesn’t work like that (unless you’re bleeding money).
(As a collector) does it look nice to you?
Does it connect with you in some way?Are you able to enjoy it 10 years later and appreciate the uniqueness even if not an antique example?
If yes (as you said), it’s still something worth having and a piece to be enjoyed; now with a new perspective.
One of my favorite pieces is a Guangxu marked Doucai Yuhuchunping from the late 40s/early 50s.
The lady who sold it to me had many fond memories of her parents traveling throughout Asia when they lived there in the 60s, and said she simply wanted it to be appreciated by the new owner just as her parents appreciated their collection.
Each time I hold it, it brings me a lot of joy.
Sometimes those “connections” are special regardless of the age/status/value of a piece if we can simply enjoy them for such a reason imo..
Best,
-JRN
@jrn Well said. I also am starting to really get a sense of what my tastes are in collecting and sometimes I find myself thinking the world is crazy for not valuing some of the things in the way I do. I recently saw a marble buddha head up for auction through a regional house that I just thought was the most beautiful thing. It had a very unique color in the stone. I didn't even bother to register to bid on it because I knew it would go for a ton of money and I wasn't prepared to make a big purchase. Well, I go to see the auction results to find that it sold for $300. I couldn't believe it. To me it was exquisite. How that happens blows my mind. Conversely, I see other things go for a fortune that to my eyes looks like a sloppy mess. It's truly fascinating.
Thank you for sharing this. Your example is MUCH better than mine! The first purchase of a fake I made I found in a second hand store in the Richmond District of San Francisco: a 10" tall jar with export American eagle decoration I bought for $90. Today I can't believe I thought it could be authentic! I still keep it around and keep papers in it (receipts, take out menus, etc) and maybe one day I'll turn it into a lamp if I ever move into a larger home (it came drilled). It dates from the 1980s and I should have guessed that due to the pastel colors of the flower decorations on the sides and top - very Nancy Reagan era.
Recently I was reading something about tips for Chinese porcelain collectors and how to avoid fakes. It said "NEVER buy anything with an American eagle on it." I laughed out loud.
P.S. I just came across this on Ebay last night: a fake from China that is selling for $21. A clever transfer decoration with fake imperial mark etc. They're making too many fakes, it seems, now they're practically giving them away.
These must be my earliest mistake .
That Garden stool (Price 600 ) had been the subject of many conversations in my house , and my explanation, of how the mastermind of chinese craftsmanship designd this piece left a deep impression along my friends.
2 Years later i bougth the Planter (Price 500) , it whas correct advertised as french Edme Samson porcelain.
Thats when i realised , and started to search for more genuine pieces .
However 2 weeks ago i found another piece , to ad my Samson collection.
The Basin ( Price 200) migth not be the last piece ,and i migth never get my money back ,but God do i love them !!
best regrds from Switzerland
Martin
It’s very impressive, Martin. I might have bought it too.
This is my personal early mistake, a chicken bowl. The seller said „to me it has an 18th century touch“ and I believed him. Anyway it was only £35 and I still love it for its lively depiction of the rooster. As it shows the remains of an old import seal it’s probably even provincial Chinese from Republic though the pattern is made all over South East Asia.
Birgit
Hello everyone,
My earliest mistake in dating Chinese porcelain. This started out as a ginger jar with a mis-matched top. Imagine my excitement when I discovered a four character mark on the base which with a little research turned out to be K’ang-hsi! I rushed back to the shop to grab that valuable 18th century piece and happily gave that dealer 345 dollars.
Years later, I happily lamped my earliest mistake. It does have some merit as a piece of late 19th century export ware in the ‘sacred bird & butterfly’ pattern. I even used the only piece of jade I ever purchased as the lamp finial.
Hah!...That was purchased 39 years ago shortly after I graduated from college. That was a significant portion of my rent money. Once I got a job that produced some regular spending monies, I used that same foolproof method of dating my Chinese porcelain purchases to fill up a display cabinet of beauties.
About five years later, I proudly hauled my treasures to a visiting New York dealer who had agreed to appraise my collection for a small fee. Boy, she burst my bubble when 95% of it was actually 19/20th century. I was so disgusted with myself that I consigned the majority of my collection with some local dealers.
Kinda wish I had held on to a few of those things.
Ah! Those are the sun-burned faces Peter has often commented on! 😀
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