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Topic starter 20/08/2023 12:06 pm  

Hi Everyone,

I've been looking for a Chinese vase lamp and found one yesterday at a charity shop for $250.00. The lamp fixture seems rather old - 1920s or 30s - and the lamp is stamped "CHINA" in red on the bottom so it must be a late Qing to Republic vase. The vase itself is just over 10" tall. In working order, sturdy fixture but with an ugly shade and finial.

Can this color palette be called "straights"? The examples I found on line are a little bolder in color and I have no experience with them. I like the pink crackle trim at the top.  

I'm curious to know what you all think. By the way, I'm keeping it!

Warm regards,

Steve

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20/08/2023 2:43 pm  

Nice find, I would think this falls more in the standard famille rose category, versus Straits / Nyonya ware, which tends to be a bit more robust in color as you indicated and stylistically different. Below are two examples from the great "Nyona ware and Kitchen "Ch'ing" by the Southeast Asia Ceramic Society, I highly recommend it if you're interested in pieces of that style:

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20/08/2023 6:13 pm  

I personal think its a 1960 vase the enamels are not consistent with late Qing.


   
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21/08/2023 7:00 am  

@steve,

The notion that the mark 'CHINA' must be either Republic or later Qing period is incorrect.

Whilst it was a requirement under the McKinley Act to have country of origin clearly marked on import in the USA during about 1880. Later in about 1921 changed to 'MADE IN CHINA'.

However even today its common to see new porcelain with this mark. Often sold as republic period.

Its my opinion your vase is from the later 50's through to the 60's.

The colours as posted by Brian @lotusblack are not correct for later Qing.

The mounts I think are older from the Republic period 

Mark 

 


   
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Topic starter 21/08/2023 10:17 am  

@imperialfinegems 

Thank you, Mark.

Going to the Gotheborg site to read about the marks made me realize I had read up about this a few years ago but forgot. 

In scrutinizing the details, the decoration doesn't look transferred to me. Not sure when they started employing transfer techniques, must have been around that time.

Anyway, I appreciate the feedback.

Take care,

Steve


   
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Topic starter 21/08/2023 12:53 pm  

@imperialfinegems 

P.S. In looking at the foot rim again, it doesn't look like late Qing as it's too neat and clean.

It's funny, when I was writing the original post I was thinking that the "CHINA" mark meant that it was at least late Qing, no older but obviously that's not what I wrote. I should have known better. Funny how these mistakes can stick in your craw. 

What impresses me is that the lamp fixture stand fits perfectly with the width of the bottom of the vase. Before I unscrewed it I was afraid it might be glued.


   
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21/08/2023 5:09 pm  

@steve they used the China stamp a lot in the 1960 to 1980 and even today. It’s the way the stamp is written that gives you clues but the enamels never lie must study the enamels no modern copy has mastered old enamels.


   
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Topic starter 01/09/2023 6:58 pm  

Update: Peter confirmed that the vase is early PRC, probably 1950s, based on the stamp.

I'm thinking that the lamp fixture is also from the same period and also Chinese. In other words, I think the vase was made to be a lamp. The reason I think so is for two reasons: 1 the vase fits the fixture exactly (so much so that I was afraid it was glued before I unscrewed the base) and 2 I've now seen other examples of similar vases with similar lamp bases. I think the Chinese both recognized that vases were being turned into lamps and imitated early 20th c. Western lamp fixtures and did a darned good job at it, too!

As my husband said of my lamp: "It wouldn't look out of place at Filoli!"

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02/09/2023 10:13 am  

@steve I looked up Filoli estate and I agree that the lamp would fit (the black and white photo of the library, the table lamps with the heavily fringed shades). Enjoy, I wonder if the pierced brass base was manufactured in the United States in the fifties?  It would not have entered the United States from PRC in the fifties, could have entered from Hong Kong (regardless if made in PRC) or Taiwan (Republic of China).


   
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Topic starter 02/09/2023 2:13 pm  

@sharonp That's a good question about the lamp base. I suppose if it were manufactured in the PRC it would be marked "CHINA" as well or maybe having the vase marked was enough. What were the regulations of things manufactured in Hong Kong? Did they have to maker their items such? Or, they could have contracted with a maker in the U.S.


   
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02/09/2023 2:51 pm  

@steve I do have a Rose Mandarin vase with that stretched out Hong Kong factory mark that Peter identified as a Hong Kong vase probably from the eighties (I bought it in a small town shop on the way to Austin), luckily, it had a deep cobalt (almost black ground color), which gave it a higher decorative value than I paid for it, plus it looks good on my eighties black laquer pedestal (the more distantly viewed the better). When I went to Gotheborg and other sources online to research the mark, some opined that much of the porcelain was actually manufactured at the company's China factory, not the factory in Hong Kong but sold and shipped by the Hong Kong factory. I guess someone can always find wiggle room to do business. 😎


   
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02/09/2023 11:41 pm  
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The stretched-out Hong Kong mark.

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 Value: $125 to $175 (as decor) 

could have been worse, I paid $60 for it because I like cranes. I think this mark turns up frequently, because others have asked about this mark before. Sharon


   
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03/09/2023 2:34 am  

@sharonp,

Love the black stand.

Mark 


   
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