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Hi Stuart
What do you make of this blog, i see no commercial connection, i did find it informative but If these are fake then i would not recommend it as a resource as it may be mislead, then again it could also be super interesting to see how detailed good fakes are.
The second is a stem bowl with dragons amongst pale waves and mountains around the base stem. For comparisons are the stem bowl sold twice at Sotheby’s Hong Kong in 1992/2007 posted last night, and another example ex Meiyintang Coll, also sold Sotheby’s HK, lot 29, 4 April 2012. The stem bowl on the blog is a very bad copy of these beautiful Xuande pieces.
Hi Short Dong - just posting some comparisons. All the pieces shown on the blog are fakes, although one or two are very good hence the images for all to compare. Very misleading in many aspects , but I can see your point regarding a source for good fakes.
The next is a stem bowl decorated with dragons amongst clouds above rocks/waves, with 6 character Xuande mark to the rim. This is not bad, but the overall composition is very stiff/placed and the writing on the mark is wrong. It pales in to comparison when place next to the original, in the Gugong Museum, Beijing, which it is clearly trying to imitate!!
The next is a ten lobed mallow-shaped ‘fish pond’ bowl with 6 character Xuande base mark. Such bowls are exceptional rare, only two examples are know. One was sold at Sotheby’s HK, lot 101, 5 April 2017, which had a very long provenance and had bee published numerous times for HK$229m, a world record price at the time!! The other smaller piece is in the National Palace Museum, Taipei, included here for comparison. The blog bowl is quite good, but is clearly a copy/fake when compared to the NPM bowl.
Apologies - images came out in wrong order!! The first image with words is the blog bowl, the next three, base image to right and side/centre images below are the NPM bowl, all others are the blog piece,.
My computing skills are not the best ...!!!
And finally the last blog piece, another ten lobed shallow bowl, decorated with double Phoenix to the centre, which is repeated on the base. This is very intriguing and, IMO, a very high quality fake, although I would need to see/handle to confirm. My personal reasons for doubting this piece is some of the fine details in the overall drawing and the fact that no other piece, as far as I’am aware, recorded with a double phoenix to the base. Early 15th century wares with base decoration are incredible rare, although similar lobed bowls with a single descending dragon/cloud motif to the centre, repeated on the base are know. The NPM also has a bowl with a single phoenix to the base, but the shape and overall design on the piece is very different. Also, on the blog bowl there is a small break to one of the circles on the inside base, approx 11 o’clock. Quality control at the Imperial kilns in the Yongle/Xuande periods was incredible strict, with pieces smashed for the slightest defeat, as well as perfect examples that were surplus to orders placed. The huge amount of destroyed wares uncovered over the last 30 years at the Imperial kiln site is testament to this policy, and I can not believe this piece would have been allowed to survive. I have included a similar lobed phoenix dish from the Gugong, Beijing for comparison.
I hope all these post are of some help ....
Stuart.
Dear Michael - the Hubei publication has abstract essays in English, but much of the details are omitted. The best book with dule Chinese/English text on this subject is an NPM book published in 2000 - images attached, but it is very expensive. ?you can find a copy.
Stuart.
Thank you Stuart for taking a look , I was unsure about some of the pieces myself that's why i asked on here , He speaks well about details of the cobalt etc .
Carl
Stuart, this is truly incredible! Thank you so very much for sharing your knowledge with us.
Thanks Stuart, for the lots of work you've done here. Great to have a Ming expert in the forum. As to the blog, I don't know what to make of it. As Short Dong already said, there seems to be no commercial interest behind it. But if this guy really owns all the items - if they were authentic he must be incredibly rich. As they are not authentic he still must have spent an awful lot on fakes. Somehow tragic.
Birgit
Dear all,
Finally, I had been able to access that site, after long waiting.
First at all dear Stuart thank you for having said almost everything.
I must say that I did not read everything written in that place. After a while, I did stop. Trying to convince the readers that n item can be classified as genuine or not by means of the bubbles or the heap and pile effect is totally useless to me. It has no sense.
And I didn’t like the fact (at least I have not found it) that it is totally unclear the origin of that site. Who is him? Which is the reason for all that? Nothing known.
Dear Stuart, can you post the ISBN numbers of the books that you have shown?
Giovanni
Dear all - firstly my great pleasure to try and be of some help with this.
As with Short Dong, Brigit and Giovanni, I don't know the reason behind or purpose of this blog either - perhaps this may become clear at a later date?! But the objects posted are clearly wrong and I would concur with Giovanni, you can not authenticate or classify a piece yourself as genuine, or indeed try to convince others of such, purely by focusing on one or two areas, in this case the heap and pile effect and glaze bubble density/distribution - this is just nonsense!! Proper identification of any object encompasses many different characteristics, not just one or two, and these characteristics display variations in different periods.
Dear Giovanni - my pleasure, IBSN numbers as follows:-
978-7-5010-3801-5 for the 2013 Hubei Provincial Museum publication.
957-562-385-1 for the 2000 National Palace Museum publication.
Stuart.
Thank you dear Stuart, it seems that they are only available in China, or on Chinese language sites.
Giovanni
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