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"Don't buy something you'are not 100%..." - that's why I think I should post on this forum, since everything in this forum regarding this auction house will lead people to 100% believe it's authentic. Many people that join as a member is to learn by reading all those things in this forum. So what about the other auction houses recommended by this forum?
Well, I think participating in the Forum is a good start, but by no means should you feel you have achieved 100% certainty based upon the opions of our recommendations. You have to build personal experience, start with less expensive / more common pieces, then work your way up to more expensive / rare pieces.
Think of it like this:
If you asked me for the name of great restaurant to go celebrate your 25th wedding anniversary, and I told you Ruth Christ.
Well, if on the day you go to celebrate the restaurant's chef shows up drunk and burns your food, you couldn't really hold me responsible for your bad experience, could you? I don't think so.
There are lots of variables that can not be controlled at auctions, and for that reason, I don't often buy from them.
"Don't spend money you can't afford to lose." - This fake item is definitely within my affordability, so I am following this guidance. However it's entirely a different thing from selling fakes. BTW, there is nothing can't afford to lose.
You are funny! Are you sure there is nothing you can't afford to lose? Well, you're blessed if that is true, but I suggest you approach each item in a sale/auction on an individual basis. In other words, judge the piece, not the source (auction/antique shop/thrift store).
https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/a-zitan -'dragon-ink-cake-box-qing-439-c-6BD40669B6
and this one.
Hi Zilian Wang,
you said
"that's why I think I should post on this forum, since everything in this forum regarding this auction house will lead people to 100% believe it's authentic.“
I think you confuse the bidamount website with the forum. The forum is hosted by the site but our opinions are independent and were sometimes even contradictory to Peter Combs.
Birgit
@874463315qq-com the carving looks a it shallow… buying zitan via photos is very risky. I lost about $8,000 on a single piece many tears ago… it turned out to be dyed softwood that had been photoshopped.
@874463315qq-com careful. You really need to handle a piece like this.
@greeno107 Did you deliberately write "many tears ago" or was that just a very appropriate typo?
@874463315qq-com the carving looks a it shallow… buying zitan via photos is very risky. I lost about $8,000 on a single piece many tears ago… it turned out to be dyed softwood that had been photoshopped.
Exactly - but some items are very easy to tell it's fake, like those pictures I posted. I usually don't question people why you sell fake Zitan. The really bad thing is the carving is (clearly) made by machine and it's (clearly) modern not 18-19th. That's really the bad side.
BTW - I collected a set of Zitan screens many years ago :). When I bid for it (it's really high btw), I never thought it will be zitan. It's just so beautifully carved, double sided, and definitely hardwood, that I just keep bidding until it's mine.
+1 on greeno107 post. Very difficult to buy on images only.
Mark
The genuine zitan on images most of time are 'ugly' 🙂
Hi Zilian Wang,
you said
"that's why I think I should post on this forum, since everything in this forum regarding this auction house will lead people to 100% believe it's authentic.“
I think you confuse the bidamount website with the forum. The forum is hosted by the site but our opinions are independent and were sometimes even contradictory to Peter Combs.
Yes, I should use the accurate word. I meant website, not forum above. Thanks to clarify this.
@874463315qq-com the carving looks a it shallow… buying zitan via photos is very risky. I lost about $8,000 on a single piece many tears ago… it turned out to be dyed softwood that had been photoshopped.
You should have consulted me many tears ago 🙂
Back to this topic, Galerie Zacke are selling lots of such faked modern, and machine-made wooden items. I am not expert on porcelain - so I can't assert anything on porcelain (a few examples seem to prove the same). For those wooden items, there are NO difference between Galerie Zacke and Empire Auction House. Search Zitan from Empire Auction house, they sell exactly the same Zitan things as Galerie Zacke.
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